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Guns in the Parks: A Bad Idea

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    Senator George Allen of Virginia, you might say, is leaving Congress with his guns a-blazing.
    The Republican, who was ousted by Democrat Jim Webb, evidently has introduced legislation that would allow gun owners to bring their weapons into national parks, as long as the states the parks are located in don't prohibit the practice.
    Mike Kinsey, writing for Ohioans For Concealed Carry, says, "The arbitrary prohibition of your right to self-defense in a National Park needs to end."
    "Your life is not worth less while visiting one of our country’s beautiful parks than it is anywhere else you may be," argues Kinsey. "Personally, I believe that lonely wilderness trails may be one of the places that I would most want to have my self-defense firearm."
    Great. That's all we need, a backcountry full of pistol-packing hikers ready to take you on. This guy seems a little over the edge to me.
    "...any location that is known to be frequented by tourists would probably be very attractive to criminals," he goes on. "Tourists are generally carrying a lot of money and are unfamiliar with their surroundings. I am certainly not a criminal mastermind. If I can see that this environment makes one more vulnerable to violent attack, I am certain those with less scruples have realized it as well."
    Gee, Mike, we seem to have made it into the 21st Century without a spate of backcountry holdups (although there were a handful of stagecoach holdups back in the early 1900s in Yellowstone).
    Do we really want to legalize toting guns around in national parks? Frankly, I'd feel safer in the backcountry knowing that guns are prohibited rather than worrying that the next person I encounter might be packing heat.

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All a person needs to do is review the news over the past couple of years to see what kind of bad stuff is already going on in the parks. As others have mentioned, meth labs, marijuana fields and worse are already abound. In addition, there have been several well-covered cases of violent criminals holding up in the backcountry of various parks... some of these have preyed upon tourists. With the dwindling budgets that the NPS has to contend with, a person is a fool to expect that the NPS Police be able to protect you in all scenarios. The proposed change would not make it legal for EVERYONE to carry a gun into a park, all it does is make it legal for someone to carry their personal firearm into a park if that park is in a state where they can already legally carry it. That's common sense my friend.

As a matter of law, the National Parks regulation which prohibits firearms also criminalizes firearms for off duty law enforcement officers, notwithstanding HR218. The Federal LEOSA did not address, or supercede the CFR. Thus, your safety in a National Park is at the whim and mercy of the very limited staff of Park Rangers and US Park Police. For those of you who have posted or think that you'd feel better knowing everyone was unarmed, I would suggest you keep track of the National Park Service's own "Morning Report" - http://home.nps.gov/applications/morningreport/ You won't have to look far for violence, the current weapons ban being clearly ineffective. It's also dishonest, deceitful and dishonorable for the National Parks to maintain or enforce this ban. I've been to over 50 National Parks and NEVER seen a sign, posting or letter prohibiting weapons in the park anywhere near the entrance. There is no valid reason to believe that the National Parks will be any different from the 3 dozen States which have adopted shall issue permit issuance for handguns. All of the evidence to date shows that crime does not increase with permissive weapons laws or rules, and in fact most of the time violent crime goes down. The National Parks would be wise to amend their rules now to adopt the state law with regard to personal protection.

The comment posted above by Dexter Guptill is right on the money, "I suspect the families of Julianne Williams and Lollie Winans don't appreciate your flippancy. The 24 and 26 year old women were murdered in Shenandoah National Park in June 1996." You see, my wife and I were hiking on that very trail a few hours after she'd jogged alone. later that day we found out the two women had been killed. Your naivete in railing against acknowledging an individual's Second Amendment and God-given right to self defense is breath taking. Rape is illegal. Murder is illegal. Oops. Forgot to tell the bad guy! Sorry Winans and Williams families. We'll do better next time. One park ranger for every 125,000 square miles. No cell phone service. Yup. They'll be right there to help you. Santa, too! Check your facts. Concealed carry permit holders are among the most responsible and law-abiding citizens. We're not the ones you need to worry about. It's that guy who's been following you at a discreet distance...

Well I was going to add all the info about the drug dealers and poachers taking over the Parks, but it seems to be piling on. I think the point has been made. In Va where I live our crime rate is much lower than the district and Md. If you think the Parks are bad try the National Mall at night where the Park police supposedly patrol. Shootings robberies and rapes every month. Yup those Park police are really on the job.

"Great. That's all we need, a backcountry full of pistol-packing hikers ready to take you on. This guy seems a little over the edge to me." Give me a break. Is that his argument aginst this bill? Then, we're blessed with this gem: "Do we really want to legalize toting guns around in national parks? Frankly, I'd feel safer in the backcountry knowing that guns are prohibited rather than worrying that the next person I encounter might be packing heat." You're right. I'd be terrified that the next law-abiding citizen I encounter on the trail may be armed, too. Thankfully, the current law prohibits criminals from bringing guns into National Parks - making the parks completey safe. Gimme a break! News Flash - anyone who's going to commit a crime in National Parks is going to bring their gun REGARDLESS of what the law says. This is why they are criminals. Why is this concept so hard for antis to understand? It's so simple. Self defense is my RIGHT. Not you or anyone else will EVER deny me my RIGHT. No law will ever prevent me from defending myself.

Sorry Kurt - my safety isn't your call! When the "fit hits the shan" there's likely to be only two parties present...attacker(s) and victim. Rather than rely on others, I opt to have a say in the matter.

I had two incidents with firearms in a park as a Ranger. In one case, two off-duty cops had their service weapons, as required by their department. They apologized when they recognized the rules outside their "territory". In the other incident, a guy smuggled a revolver into the park, and his girlfriend emptied it into the back of his head. I guess this was the "rule of unintended consequences"? The average gun owner who would fire on a wild animal, like a big bear, in a park setting would be called "lunch". I never had a bear shoot at me, or really scare me. The same is not true of humans with guns. Leave 'em home.

Don says," I had two incidents with firearms in a park as a Ranger. In one case, two off-duty cops had their service weapons, as required by their department. They apologized when they recognized the rules outside their "territory"." So you gave them a special break just because they were law enforcement? Well they violated the regulation and you knew it. Why didn't you fine them just as you supposedly would have if a citizen exercised their Second Amendment right? Double standard. Your other examples also prove laws don't prevent people from committing crimes. All the more reason to extend state concealed carry laws within the boundaries of national parks.

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