Thanks for all of the information. I was supporting several feedlot groups until I did some research. The owners of the lots now can make a quick buck From horse advocates, and are buying up horses that in the past would've sold at the auction to good homes. It was very disturbing what was going on.
I don't think the slaughter is univeersal. Here at North Cascades complex. The person in charge of the trail horses is actively seeking good homes for retired NPS horses.
It just seems to me that a simple top-down policy of benevolence would solve what appears to be a widely variable situation.
In reply to the comment above - horse slaughter has NEVER been, nor is it now - humane! If in doubt-watch videos of horse slaugher-Kauffman, Texas) And as for being a "source for protein"? Any domestic horse - at least in this country - has, during its lifetime, medications (such as bute), supplements, wormers, fly-sprays - all of which are clearly marked "not for use in food
Jan 2nd - 19:27pm |
I'd love to have a older NPS horse to ride trails once in awhile with my kids. Love older horses.
Dec 30th - 06:44am |
Humane slaughter of horses can and should be done. There are not enough people willing to adopt all the unwanted horses that the BLM owns much less the NPS. Horses are good sources of protein . Let's work on a humane slaughter of horses locally in the USA so that horses don't have to suffer long trips to plants in Mexico or Canada.
The National Park Service is like the rest of the federal government. They live to over regulate and take personal freedoms from American citizens! This at one time was
a free country. Now there are at least a dozen countries that are considered to have more freedom than the USA. These NPS idiots even banned the lead used in nymphs in
I think the park is under estimating the need for nice large rooms. I believe the decrease in overnight stays are due to the quality of the facility.
I checked out the facilities for a staff retreat where I worked, and I felt I couldn't ask my colleagues to stay in the dump of a lodge that was there. They look like bad dorm rooms.
Y'know, Rick, after seeing that nearly 23,000 kids became Junior Rangers at Yosemite alone, perhaps the idea of providing a parallel activity for parents might work without a great deal of extra effort.
Jan 1st - 15:39pm |
RE: "hopeless dunces"
One should not confuse lack of intelligence with not caring. Some don't care whether what do affects other visitors experiences or how it affect the park.
Jan 1st - 15:34pm |
Do you really believe that a lot of them care about the requlations? The only way that they will learn is if the consequences are meaningful, such as siezing any equipment they use in the comission of their acts.
Bucking the pop culture enlightenment I have always enjoyed and respected your posts, ec. Yeah, Im old and tasted the pop culture as a youngster but it's time to grow up and grow a pair. Many are enjoying the efforts that have gone before who have taken the arrows that have allowed this stupidity to flurish.
That could actually be one of the easiest parts. In Klondike Goldrush NHP, where I just left, they had a storefront dedicated to the Junior Ranger program, with a go-getter enthusiastic ranger manning it.
"Another thought hit as I was perusing the catalog. How about handing parents a companion booklet to accompany Junior Ranger books given to children? Some education aimed at helping parents understand how they may help ensure that these parks will still be here -- unimpaired -- for the children of their children. Perhaps we need to give parents a patch showing that they be
I just received my copy of the Yellowstone Association's summer program catalog. One offering in particular caught my attention. On page 21 we find "Between A Rock And A Hard Place: Facing Geolorical Challenges In Yellowstone." A three-day program July 12 - 14 examining management challenges at Yellowstone. Cost $360. I think I'll sign up and would be delighted to
Dec 31st - 13:19pm |
What part of Leave No Trace does this generation not understand?
What does race and culture have to do with vandalism? And rudeness?
If you take a boom box to the wilderness you don't disturb your neighbors they are visiting for the peace and quite or they are the wild animals that were there first that you came to visit.
Dec 31st - 12:35pm |
Can we get our lawmakers to increase funding to the NPS and NFS? The parks and forests can't afford the personnel, technology, educational materials, etc. that it needs. We can't expect them to oversee, educate, or train the public without the funds to do so. Funding has been consistently cut for the last 20 years with no real allowance made for the increased use.
Do younger generations pay attention to anything that isn't exploding or using some spectacular special effect every second? Maybe what's really needed is a production like Star Wars or one of the Stupor Heroes movies. (And, yes, the t in that word is intentional.)
Hmmmm, flaming billboards shooting streams of fireworks into the sky just might do the job.
I dunno, Lee, I kinda like the road sign suggestion. Growing up and going on family vacations to Florida I recall seeing "South of the Border" signs from Virginia down into South Carolina to lead folks to that roadside attraction. That place was well ingrained in my young mind miles and miles before we saw it.
Miles of signs along the highways leading to parks would take us back to the forest of Stop At Wall Drug signs that used to infest highways leading toward Wall, South Dakota and the famous (infamous?)Burma Shave signs.
How about a TV and radio public service ad campaign?
Sure, there are an unfortunately large number of people who are hopeless dunces, but I do believe the majority of park visitors are more intelligent than that.
Dec 31st - 07:25am |
Alan L Collins
I couldnt agree more with the education is a great step forward. somone will need to educate the educaters how to educate the new visitiors. Handing them a flyer at the gate is good but is way to late to create a park culture and respect for nature. an Idea for something that could be done in the now is to educate with well thoughtout signage for miles along the way to park entrances.
Dec 31st - 06:46am |
As a frequent NPS visitor and camper, I am appalled by how others behave and treat our national treasures. As a city-dweller, I depend on the parks to restore my mind and soul with regular trips to parks and forests near me. The rudeness of neighbors in the campgrounds is astounding!
This article is exactly what I've been trying to say recently. It appears that the NPS is missing huge opportunities to educate visitors through the media of interpretive activities. The message of protecting our parks can easily be woven into virtually any interpretive presentation without bashing visitors over the head. (Although some really need it.)
Dec 30th - 15:33pm |
It is a never -ending problem...to teach people to respect and cherish the natural beauty of our National Parks. It saddens me so much to hear of these people that just don't know how to behave. I am a stong believer in starting with responsible parenting...all 3 of my boys have a great appreciation and respect for nature.
I keep hearing all of this business about the new generation--and how people change. The point is that they haven't changed. A century ago, the national parks were filled with theatrics, from Yosemite's firefall to the flood-lighting of Old Faithful Geyser off the roof of Old Faithful Inn.
Dec 30th - 14:25pm |
This article is so disheartening but not surpising to me considering how our societies ethics have changed. My family and I have visited most of the National Parks for years and cherish them. I think you are going to have to start making it known you will prosceute anyone that has defaced the park, hurt an animal or disturbed the park in anyway.
A thoughtful op-ed from today's Salt Lake tribune:
Dec 30th - 14:56pm |
In the 80's when the NPS communicated the "Loving the Park's to Death" issue, people naturally quit coming, and visitation went down.
This is not a good message for the Centennial celebration or smaller parks who have plenty of capacity for more visitors.
Dec 30th - 14:05pm |
As someone who visits GSMNP several times a year I can assure you most times the 'crowds' in Cades Cove are manageble. It's the fact that the park does not manage individuals that stop and block the road to watch bears. I trully believe the park is doing this intentionally to force the situation to a head. Keeping several rangers patrolling the loop continuously on bikes would
I don't have a problem with people using this place, simply charge them. As far as security and habitability, your talking Wyoming. Locks on doors are usually the norm. If a visitor is thought to need more security in the wilderness than this place offers, they need to bring your own or go somewhere else.
There are lots of parks in the National Park System that have special pupose like Wolf Trap National park for the Performing Arts. Maybe bicyclists need their own park or parkway dedicated to their use. But Zion does not have that special purpose. And the 10-15 thousand Daily visiters to Zion in August should not be bothered by this either. That's my opionion.
You ask some good questions, Diffpersp. While we might not agree on the answers, some consistency across the system would be good to see. But that's part of a larger story...
Dec 30th - 12:27pm |
The important question to ask here is whether or not Jon Jarvis will allow the "process" and "framework" to be applied without him interjecting his personal opinions about issues into park management decisions and allowing himself to be influenced by people who have access to him rather than DO THE RIGHT THING And walk the walk in terms of supporting the regional and local economies.
Once upon a time not so very long ago, Olympic National Park was also logged. The Park Service has never been in love with absolute wilderness, so yes, roads are meant to facilitate "visitation"--and in this case logging of the park.
The proper way to see a road is "access," not "visitation." Visitation in some peoples' eyes just means numbers. Access means the right to see the park.
Why do dippers dip? Perhaps there are multiple reasons this has survival value. My long-held hypothesis is that they are using paralax to compensate for refraction in order to precisely locate food under water.