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You anti ORV people make me sick, Please tell me, just one at a time please, just how do you plan to raise your children with proper family values without access to our American Treasures, You people are promoting access to dead end roads to our childrens futures! I can't Find it within myself to tell my child, it's ok, just watch TV instead of going outside.

Aug 18th - 20:23pm | Kurt Repanshek

Longcaster, The citation is much appreciated.

Aug 18th - 20:22pm | kingspointer

You need to read this legislation in order, in which my Environmentalist friends fail to do every time. First and foremost, under US Code 16, Chapter 1, section 1A-1 note the words of the amendment “1978--Pub. L.

Aug 18th - 19:56pm | longcaster

Here is more from Title 16 U S Code section 459 with the name changed to include Recreational Area. I think the Recreational Area name addition was so hunting could be allowed in the sound for ducks & geese.

Aug 18th - 19:44pm | longcaster

The best source of the words about the founding of Cape Hatteras National Seashore Recreational Area are found in Title 16 Of the U S Code; U.S. Code collectionmain page faq index search

Aug 18th - 19:24pm | Ted Clayton

Interestingly, the NPS Cape Hatteras FAQ says that actual off-road vehicles are forbidden:

Aug 18th - 18:56pm | Michael Kellett

Kurt, you are right. Cape Hatteras is a National Seashore, not a National Recreation Area, unless the National Park Service has a typo on its website. There is no mandate that ORVs be allowed.

Aug 18th - 18:43pm | JohnAB

The argument that ORV access must be allowed because of the economic impact of ORV spending on the local economy is the argument I find most objectionable. And arrogant.

Aug 18th - 17:34pm | Kurt Repanshek

Andrew, You and others refer to Cape Hatteras as a "National Recreation Area." If you could point to where that is specified I'd appreciate it, as I've been unable to find it. Not that I'm doubting you, it'd just be good to have that reference.

Aug 18th - 16:47pm | Andrew

Cape Hatteras National Recreation Area was founded with the explicit statement that access would remain open for recreational activities. Fishing is stated specifically as a recreational activity. It is also stated that areas particularly suitable for such activities will be open. There is not a more a suitable area for fishing than "the point".

Aug 18th - 15:28pm | Rangertoo

Wait, that was sarcasm. Motor vehicles have no place on any beach and no place in the natural lands of national parks. These places are our escape from machines. What does this have to do with Marxism? Marxism is a system of socialism of which the dominant feature is public ownership of the means of production. Are national parks producing some commodity?

Aug 18th - 15:28pm | Ted Clayton

How To Put Pictures In Comments

Aug 18th - 14:31pm | Anonymous

I agree about the photo being Cape point ( I took it), but do you really believe that those picture both by the SELC and the Islandfreepress are typical? I am only guessing that you have had minimal contact with those areas. I have been to or by both of those locations and all major holidays (except 2008) for the past 8 years minimum.

Aug 18th - 13:17pm | Anonymous

The photo above is Cape Point, not Oregon Inlet, as shown in the SELC photo. They are not the same thing. Also, the above photo of Cape Point can be compared to the Island Free Press photos of Cape point, as shown in a different post above. In my experience, the Island Free Press photos are much more representative of what happens at Cape Point.

Aug 18th - 13:13pm | dapster

Rangertoo, Bless you! Until a reliable replacement is found and implemented, the internal combustion engine is the technology we have. Period. I'm all for an engine that runs on anything else, but as of today it only exists in either science fiction or some yet undiscovered inventor's workshop.

Aug 18th - 13:12pm | Anonymous

I have no issue at all. I will ask though how did you get the picture in there? Thanks for your support.

Aug 18th - 12:24pm | Ted Clayton

SamsDad, I am taking the liberty of posting one your pictures of the Cape here. If you rather I not, let me know and I will remove it/replace it. Waiting your permission, I'd also like to use your 2 images in my page with the distorted SELC image.

Aug 18th - 12:18pm | Rangertoo

The same arguments regarding the "need" to access a beach by vehicle because it is too far to walk could be used to justify roads in any park. About time! Some parts of the Grand Canyon, Yellowstone, and Death Valley are a long way from a road. We need a road into the Grand Canyon and I think the Bright Angel Train can be reasonably widened and opened to ORVs.

Aug 18th - 11:43am | dapster

A picture taken on the Memorial Day/4th of July/Labor Day holidays ANYWHERE will show maximum human density. To say that the SELC photo taken was of an average day would be an outright falsehood. The picture is clearly out of scale, with the vehicles too tall for their width. Intentional or not, it is what it is. Many folks have seen said picture and believed it to be an every day occurence.

Aug 18th - 09:23am | SAMSDAD

http://forum.reddrumtackle.com/showthread.php?p=103427#post103427 (copy and paste to the browser you choose)

Aug 17th - 22:59pm | Stephen C

Go to islandfreepress to read the truth. Look for Dr. Mike Berry's comments.

Aug 17th - 22:56pm | Stephen C

I do not think some of you know what is actually going on here even though you have visited recently. 1. The 08 restictions included pedestrians. No you could not walk on the beach without facing a $5000 fine/imprisonment and more beach closures. this was done by a federal judge without public/park input.

Grand Canyon National Park "Short Haul" Operations

Aug 18th - 20:24pm | Kurt Repanshek

Gail and others, I'm afraid the Park Service considers the names of those involved privileged information and will not release them without a Freedom of Information Act request.

Aug 18th - 20:14pm | Gail Neuhaus

My daughter is with the Peterson Family and others, rafting down the Colorado River. Where can I find the names of the ones recued. I,m from N.J. and hearing this on the news.

Aug 18th - 12:50pm | Rodman Muller

Very happy to hear that all the stranded rafters were rescued safely. I was on the trip with Western River Expeditions with a group of 28 people from Hawaii on the same date and time. We noticed there rafts were tied up at the gorge of Havasu Creek. Because of the recent storm we were concerned about a flash flood in the narrow gorge that they were hiking in.

Black Bear Attacks Child at Great Smoky Mountains National Park

Aug 18th - 17:26pm | Anonymous

And where do you live? Do you think that at one time your space did not belong to the animals? OK for you but no one else? While I am not a wildlife specialist, I think many people who visit the Smokys and have been fortunate enough to see bears as I have a few time, know the difference betwee agressive and passive! Don't be so quick to judge.

Aug 18th - 07:36am | Brendan in TN

Unfortunately these things tend to happen. What i'd like to know is, where were the parents when this happened?

Delaware Can Relax; The New National Parks Quarter Dollar Coin Series Will Celebrate “National Sites” Too

Aug 18th - 16:34pm | Merryland

This is great -- my kids love the 50 states quarter series. However, if they use National Parks and Monuments on the quarter, they should be required to use (or at least include) the original Native American name (ex: Devils Tower = Bear Lodge). Or Nebraska's monumental claim to fame... Chimney Rock...

Collapse of "Wall Arch" Proves Gravity Does Work at Arches National Park

Aug 18th - 11:53am | Anonymous

I ca't get enough of Arches - since childhood over 50 years ago - and it personally offends me to see people scurry up the Double Arch area as if by climbing these landmarks they nhave somehow mastered them...how arrogant and impolite to our Mother.

Aug 18th - 08:37am | itstybitsy

We stayed in the Devil's Campground the night of the collapse. During the night I thought I heard thunder. But it never happened again. Then early that morning, my family and I hiked the Devils Garden Trail (in 107 degree heat!) and came upon the collapsed Wall Arch. At this point in the morning, park rangers were only just being alerted to the collapse.

Grand Canyon National Park Rangers Working to Rescue Stranded Colorado River Rafters

Aug 18th - 11:48am | Kurt Repanshek

I've got a request in for a list of the 16 stranded rafters, but haven't heard back yet. Not sure if a larger list of all those on the river will be available, but I'll inquire.

Aug 18th - 11:45am | Anonymous

Where will a list of all registered river trips - companies and private - be listed so verification can be made that all have been located and/or rescued?

Aug 17th - 21:12pm | Margot Jones

Steve Schmidt was rafting on the Colorado River in the Grand Canyon. Is there a list of those rescued and those missing?

Aug 17th - 20:32pm | Anonymous

Thanks to the dedicated park service professionals, helicopter pilots, Coconino County officials and the others who put their lives on the line to protect and save those who find themselves in life-threatening situations. Your dedication and skill are appreciated and admired. Thank you!

Toyota's Donation to Yellowstone National Park: Corporate Greenwashing, or Good Partner?

Aug 18th - 09:37am | jsmacdonald

Riches in Yellowstone amount to plowing buffalo off the northern road in the winter, grooming the other roads for snowmobiles and snowcoaches (the rich rubbing the backs of the rich), and a budget to slaughter and haze bison, build overly large visitor's centers (now called education centers) - so if it were up to me, I would be glad to give the money and cars away. But, alas ...

Aug 18th - 08:51am | Rangertoo

I see no problem with the dontation. What concerns me, and as I have written about here before, is this is yet another example of the have and have-not park system that is developing. Yellowstone has the largest budget of any park (but not the most visitors). Plus, it takes in millions more from fees.

Is It Time to Overhaul the National Park Service and the National Park System?

Aug 18th - 07:32am | Michael Kellett

Canaveral National Seashore encompasses more than 57,000 acres.

Aug 17th - 22:05pm | Merryland

Glad some of you are finally agreeing with me. From a post I made back on August 5th, 2007 (Setting Precedents in the Parks):

Segways in the National Parks: Do We Really Need Them?

Aug 18th - 02:44am | andy m

To introduce a few things about myself, i have been backpacking, rock climbing, ice climbing, kayaking, mountain biking, and road biking for the majority of my life. Everywhere from Yosemite to Chennai (formally Madras in India). I love tossing on my pack and walking off into the woods for a week or two as often as possible.

That Booming You Hear in the Skies Over Yellowstone National Park? It Soon Could be the Sound of Artillery

Aug 18th - 01:14am | Chuck

I am always amazed at how the US Government forgets that there are several branches, at least one of which should be willing to do the job as part of the training we pay for anyway. I was in the army and trained at Fort Sill, OK which is the UA Army Training Location for Artillery. The tax payer pays lots of money for training its artillery troops.

Decisions on Controlling Elk in Theodore Roosevelt, Wind Cave National Parks Likely to Linger Into 2009

Aug 17th - 23:54pm | Ted Clayton

Jon, I expect that we will see many more carnivores, and perhaps with a delay, the full complement of major carnivores/omnivores, most everywhere. But I doubt we'll get there by throwing Fluffy to the wolves. Instead, we'll get there by hunting & killing 10% of the wolves, grizzlies, cougar and black bears each year. Roughly.

Aug 17th - 22:45pm | Merryland

Someday we'll finally realize that the introduction of more carnivores into the ecosystem is the only long-term answer that will work. Yes, Fluffy and Mr. Ed are part of the food chain too.

How is Cape Hatteras National Seashore Faring Under Travel Restrictions?

Aug 17th - 23:43pm | Stephen C

The trollys were tried a few years ago on one of the NE beaches. I can not recall but a google search should find it. I have also seen where the same enviro-groups have played the same game on Assateague. They just changed the bird from plover to something else.

Summer Slump? Lodging Deals To Be Found At Shenandoah National Park

Aug 17th - 23:33pm | Ted Clayton

I visited the NPS Stats Olympic Park page, and the monthly visitation report shows us up 15% from last year. I was a little surprised, but it's understandable.

Should the National Park Service Drain the Capitol Reflecting Pool to Save Birds?

Aug 17th - 23:03pm | Merryland

Take a walk around the pool sometime and try not stepping in goose guano. It's a sickening experience. I walked with my daughter to tell her about the MLK speech and she asked if it was this stinky back then too. Come to think of it, Forrest Gump's eventual wife Jenny waded through that pool of water and later died... way before her time. It's true! We must drain the swamp!

Fort Donelson National Battlefield Commemorates the North’s First Major Victory in the Civil War

Aug 17th - 22:38pm | Merryland

Donelson also has a beautiful bald eagle pair that nests very near the fortification area on the water. A nice eagle foto I snapped last Spring, perhaps 50 feet from the Hal Jesperson foto above, is currently on my blog's header image (http://homeschoolrangers.wordpress.com/).

Remnants of Golf Course Being Removed from Rocky Mountain National Park

Aug 17th - 22:09pm | Merryland

Hip Hip Hooray. Now take out Yosemite's pathetic 9-hole course too!

Will Second Century Commission Succeed With Its National Parks Assessment and Recommendations?

Aug 17th - 21:37pm | Ted Clayton

Jim, Yes, it's true that NPCA really only made my radar in recent months, with the start of the new firearms regulations comment period. I'd seen them in a blip here 'n there over the years, but never focused in. I don't have a detailed appreciation of the outfit, and could have painted them a little crudely.

MSNBC’s Top 10 National Park Lodges List Draws Curmudgeonly, but Gentle Criticism

Aug 17th - 21:06pm | Lone Hiker

I agree that the lodges are reserved well in advance almost year round.

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