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Thanks for the tip-off on this list, Jeremy. Your readers might appreciate that there are several subscription options for Art's Google Group, including:
- No Email: I will read this group on the web
- Abridged Email (No more than 1 email per day) Get a summary of new activity each day
- Digest Email (Approximately 1 email per day) Get up to 25 full new messages bundled into a single email
I use the web-only and Digest options to monitor many wilderness- and National Parks-related listservs, without burning up my email bandwidth.
There are also Atom and RSS feed options, which integrate seamlessly into apps like Google Reader.
Hence, more free time to get out and explore the wilder-ness.
In sustainable adventure,
~ Andrew
Author, Top Trails Yellowstone & Grand Teton National Parks
Winner, 2005 National Outdoor Book Award, Best Outdoor Adventure Guidebook
Making wild claims, like the Center for Biological Diversity has had "9 out of 10 suits dismissed as frivilous [sic]", and then telling readers to "look them up" rather than providing a link to back the assertion intimates the fraudulence of such claims.
At any rate, the Center for Biological Diversity didn't bring this lawsuit; it was brought by ATVers and thrown out by the judge who ruled the ATVers had no standing to bring the claim. Talk about frivolous!
ATVers are the ones in this case who "abuse the legal system". They should stop suing to gain access to Congressionally designated wilderness and somehow come to terms with the fact that they can only ride their ATVs in 97.5% of the continental USA.
The Center for Biological Diversity is a first clas pain in the a** to almost everyone. They are against everything. Look them up, they have over 300 law suits pending at the moment and their record is 9 out of 10 suits dismissed as frivilous.
That still doesn't make them harmless. They cost many, including private land holders 1000's of $ just so they can be heard.
It's too bad, the frivilous cannot at this time be made to pay the expenses of those they abuse with the legal system.
Jeremy:
Thanks for the recognition.
To follow up on your remarks, and Barky's comment, I find over and over again no matter how spectacular the main front-country attractions are in a park, there are always things you can see and experience in the backcountry that make it well worth the extra effort.
For example, if you had climbed up the 3.2 mile Yosemite Falls Trail, you'd follow the cascade all of the way up to where Yosemite Creek appears rather slow and lazy. The most amazing sight is looking down from where the water starts it's descent. From there, you get the most impressive sense of the power of the falls, and a fuller sense of why they're so spectacular.
So do explore your parks and public lands. Discover that the harder some experience is to get, the more rewarding it'll probably be.
Snowbird06
Staci, for your information, the Blue Angels do not have a "impeccable flight record"...sorry to say...with much sadness. On April 21, 2007 Lt. Cmdr. Kevin Davis was killed while flying his Blue Angel F/A-18 that crashed near a wooded residential area not far from Marine Corps Air Station Beaufort, S.C., and in 1999 there was another Blue Angel crash in Georgia. Since the sixty year history of the Blue Angels there has been 28 fatalities involving there flight program. Most unfortunate, but it symbolizes the extreme danger and nature of their work. So, please get the facts straight and zip up the trash talk.
Don't even bite on that one Frank. What Staci totally misunderstands is that true patriotism is love of country not love of the government, but what do you expect from repeated generations that have been meticulously indoctrinated by mandatory attendance in government run schools? We as a society will reap what we sow.
Again I return to the sage of Baltimore H.L. Mencken: "The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary."
Staci, not a "impeccable record" and sorry to say...with sadness. April21, 2007, Lt. Commander Kevin Davis was killed when his F/A-18 crashed in a wooded residentail area near Marine Corps Air Station Beaufort , S.C., and another crash in 1999 near Pensacola, Florida. In the sixty year history of the Blue Angels there has been 29 fatalities involving there flight program. Most unfortunate, but the nature of there extremely dangerous work. So, check the records Staci and it's avaiable to the general public. Now, zip the trash talk!
I understand the desire for security when putting your email address on a national website; I don't want a bunch of spam, either. Nonetheless, the days of hiding in anonymity behind a computer (pre 9/11/2001) are behind us. We, as a nation and as citizens, deserve to know who is talking to us. If you want to offer comment filled with hate rhetoric, profanity, or that is just plain uncivil pretend that you have some internal fortitude and identify yourself. Otherwise, you are just another lunatic shouting in the breeze and, noone cares what you have to say.
LE
LOL...you libs are so funny!!
Fact is, the Blues will fly anywhere they damn well please because MOST Americans (ones who aren't whacked-out enviros) know that THUNDER makes a helluva lot more noise than jets...the lil animals will be just fine...LOL!!!
So...get over it...we patriots love to see our military perform and think it'a a dang fine use of our tax dollars (that's why air shows continue to attract huge crowds)...nuthin is more awesome than seein a fighter comin' in low and fast over a ridgeline in the backcountry! I watched 2 bighorn look up and not even flinch when an F/A-18 flew low at ~ 100 ft over the Inyo National Forest.
Oh, and Frank...pssst...the Blue Angels have an impeccable safety record...never have had an accident while performing a show since 1946 until the one this year...I would say narcissistic "wow, look at me" climbers die much more often...so wise up and move to Canada...(your writing reflects your disdain for America)...I'll gladly pay your one-way moving expenses.
Elvis died in 1977.
Beamis,
Your libertarian logic leaves idiots in ashes. You're awesome!
Ok, blog censors, why can HurlGurl call someone a bigot and I can't call someone a homophobe? Guess I have to be more indirect, ya? Passive voice makes all ok?
As late as 1978?! Wasn't Elvis still alive then? Please! Drive your death trap over the 97.5% of the continental US that isn't wilderness! Valid mining claims! Ha!
"There'll be a lot of sniveling by the drones..."
You can bet that had this decision gone the other way there would be much more "sniveling", and more lawsuits. Drove to Panamint City as late as 1978 never once using 4wd. It was a road then and should still be one.
Denying the passage rights to a 4wd enthusiast is one thing but denying the passage rights of valid mining claim holders is a whole different story.
The idea that the U.S. military is protecting anyone's freedom is an absolutely absurd notion but firmly ingrained in much of the culture. These Bozo's were not even able to protect their own headquarters in DC much less the largest city in our country. What they are good at, though, is attacking weaker countries that don't possess nukes i.e. Iraq, Somalia and Afghanistan yet still manage to get their butts kicked anyway. To look at the U.S. military as a savior of anything is to be blind, stupid and ignorant of the reality at hand. After wasting nearly $2 trillion dollars and maiming and killing thousands of Americans, Mesopotamians, Afghanis not to mention incurring the anger and enmity of the world's second largest faith, what does this vaunted military have to show for its efforts? NADA. ZERO. ZIPPO! I just laugh at the silly and stupidly sincere sentiments of people like Sandia and Jeremy. How blind you must be!
The bigger point, relevant to this website, is that continued support of the current stewards of the national parks, is linked to support of the same people who control the military, the Executive Branch of the U.S. government, which is and will continue to be a hand puppet of the military-industrial complex. In the hands of these people the parks are nothing more than backdrops to be used when convenient to promote their warped agenda. If you think that the Congress is gonna step and make it right you're really dreaming my friends.
Ultimately I think that the parks should be turned over to other entities so that they can be treated with the respect and funding they deserve. A continuing faith in the Federal leviathan to do what is right and moral has long ago disappeared and any further trust is misplaced and naive. It is also proabaly dangerous to your health and well-being.
"...smelly spoiled leftists who seem to abound on today's college campuses don't even deserve to be in the same room as these fine gentlemen...."
Actually they do.
It is the narrow-minded naive condescending American bigot spouting such drivel which does not deserve.
I did not come home (or to this blog) after 4 years in SE Asia to read or listen to this adolescent drivel...
Jeremy and Sandi, why is it that you have to label people with childish insults who disagree with you. Sure, we all have differences of opinion about the subject matter discussed above. My uncle was a flight instructor in WW II, and would prefer the silence of the woods in the National Parks after serving horrendous years of war. I never heard him despise anyone who had a difference of political opinion then his, nor did I ever hear him speak vehemently against anyone who opposed the war, or the bloated war machine which us taxpayers who are overly burden with. Please zip up the trash talk, don't forget there were alot of hippies that fought in Viet Nam (and probably in Iraq too)....and died...Geo. Bush wasn't one of them. So, watch your spiel!
As far as the LAW is concerned, they cannot. Of course, the military industrial complex and the "conservative" party in power often feel they are above the law.
The issue here is not left/right. The issue is that our military, like a fascist regime, views itself as being above the law. Additionally, the Blue Angels has an abysmal safety rating (10% fatality rate), and were an airplane to crash in a national park, it would be catastrophic and expensive. Also consider that the Navy's budget (not including the Marines) for the Blue Angels (about $20 million a year) and the cost of the planes themselves ($22 million EACH) are used for "recruitment" purposes. That money could fund several Yosemites and Grand Canyons.
Jeremy is absolutely right...smelly spoiled leftists who seem to abound on today's college campuses don't even deserve to be in the same room as these fine gentlemen....
And I can't belive there are so many leftists in this blog who aren't grateful for their freedom that men such as the Angels have granted them thru the years.
As far as I am concerned, those military men and women who guard our freedom can fly over at any damn altitude they wish in our parks...and when they travel terra-firma, THEY should NEVER have to pay fees!!
God bless America, and our fine warriors who defend her!
That's pretty interesting, I had no idea they were considering opening the top back up. I haven't had the opportunity to go inside the statue, but I would certainly consider it if they allowed access to the top again.
Thanks, by the way, for choosing my photo to accompany your article! She's a beautiful lady, and there are tons of photos of her out there. I'm flattered that you've chosen mine.
Brian Auer
I visited the crown 5-6 years before 9/11, and it was a wonder to behold. Yes, it was only a quick stop (due to the long lines and crowds), but it was worth it. You really get a feel for the place when you're crawling around inside it, and even when you're trapped inside, waiting your turn, you can really marvel at the construction of the thing.
I'm in favor of re-opening the crown, although they may want to establish some time of timed ticketing system like they do at other big attractions, especially during the heat of summer (when it's especially dangerous).
Kudos to the Judge and hurray for the canyon. There'll be a lot of sniveling by the drones you betcha, but there always was and always will be, and at least the canyon will be too.
I find the statistics reporting 18,953,478 visits for the Blue Ridge Parkway subject to question. I say this not only because of the very high number of visitors registered, but also because the Blue Ridge Parkway numbers are much larger than those reported for urban parks and parkways like the Gateway National Recreation Area, George Washington Pkwy and the Golden Gate National Recreation Area. I suspect that the methods used to determine park visitation are not consistent from unit to unit within the National Park System. I wonder what quality control the NPS uses prior to reporting visitation statistics?
Wish I coulda been there to see the "best of the best" fly over....
Lot less intrusion than smelling stinking, disgusting, leftist college punks and hippies who come into our place of business on a regular basis.
I've seen the Angels, and these are fine American gentlemen!
I'd like 'em to fly over a peak I am on ANYTIME!!
I find it interesting that you allow and provide for comments, but don't post them all. I posted a comment the other day, I didn't agree with you, so I guess that's why it hasn't showed up.
It would have been a lot easier and cheaper to use photoshop. Who'd be able to tell the difference?