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I was wondering why Frederick Law Olmsted NHS was a least visited park since it is in an urban, and one would assume fairly accessible, location. Is it related to the park closing? Per the NPS website: "Frederick Law Olmsted NHS is currently CLOSED to visitors in order to carry out a construction project involving park buildings, grounds and collections. The park anticipates reopening in 2010."
When did the park close??
The reason I asked the author of the article to specify what the NPS should be doing is that he raised that very question. (A question he never answered.) He says in paragaph 2, that the NPS is looking into ways to boost 'diversity' among park visitors.
Perhaps the NPS could host private parties inviting the 'right' demographic. (She says sarcastically).
this is a great subject and thanks for bringing it up, kurt. i am against these sort of events, but have to ask the question "what else are they going to do?" if the events do not net any profits, then dump them. but as far as fundraising park administrators rising through the ranks, in my estimation, the bathrooms have to get cleaned somehow. like it or not, i applaud them for at least doing *something*. if not through partnerships and "fundraising" what else are they going to do? anyone check the amount of benefits (medicare, prescription health, returning soldiers injured) paid out and budget deficit of the federal government lately? our government & nation certainly has the money, but the priority is definitely not taking care of our national parks.
I'm always gut-punched when I read these kinds of stats. I'm unsure how Great Smoky Mountains survives hosting nine million people in the course of a year. Even with the majority being drive-throughs or tour buses, this is an unbelievable amount of footprints in that area. It would be staggering enough if we actually had funding in place to handle the pressure to the infrastructure and environment. But in these times when funding is ridiculously low...? How the hell is GSM still in one piece??
It becomes confusing when what is allowed in a historic prison cell-block, by establishing a service-wide precedent, could be applied to Cades Cove or Hayden Valley. It's frrightening really.
I wholeheartedly agree with Beamis' point that there are some questionable units of the national park system. Unfortunately, it seems more congressfolk want to have a park of any kind in their district than want to adequately fund the park system, which, really, is at the root of the problem.
As a result, we're stuck with the hand we're dealt. In that context, I would suggest that more scrutiny needs to be placed on the special-use permitting system if for no other reason than, as DO 53 points out, "superintendents should be aware that local decisions related to permitting special park uses may have service-wide implications, and set precedents that create difficulties for other superintendents."
We went hiking this weekend on RMNP's Cow Creek Trail. McGraw Ranch, once a guest ranch and now part of the park's building inventory, is now a research facility reached by a small bridge across the creek. The beavers have been busy a short way upstream from the bridge. The park service has fenced off the area where the water flows under the bridge, presumably to prevent the beavers from damming up the creek at that point too and eventually flooding out the retored cabins where researchers now live, so there's only so much wetland restoration by beaver effort that the park service wants there. It's light-handed and practical, and I suspect that the newer, larger fence will be so too.
I love this site. You are pulling off an unusual mix of welcoming controversial discussions over NPS mgmt and appreciating the beauty of parks at the same time.
Andy
www.hauntedhiker.com
I think this debate should be more about what kinds of units the NPS is forced to administer by a politically charged Congress. Is Alcatraz a "national treasure". Would Horace Albright and Stephen Mather have envisioned a federal prison as a part of America's "crown jewels"? A place that the author this article calls "a venerable unit of the national park system, one whose stories revolve around pain, suffering and misery."
Is a regional urban park for the S.F. Bay Area, paid for by the taxpayers of the entire U.S., something that should be shouldered onto the yoke of the NPS? Why can't the local governments of that region run thier own urban park? Why do folks in North Dakota and Alabama have to chip in for a park located in one of the wealthiest areas in the world?
As with Boston Navy Yard, another real "national treasure", the units being discussed, so far, are not the traditional types of places that were orginally designated as national parks. This includes the Santa Monica Mountains, a regional park for Southern California, that would not have been high on Mather's list of worthy inclusion. Maybe the discussion should be about whether there needs to be a house cleaning of sorts of the less than stellar sites that were put into the system for reasons like boosting tourism in a depressed area, saving open space in a rapidly expanding metropolitan region (not the job or proper role of the national government) or to designate something of local signifigance that a Congresperson can stick the national government with the tab for.
I think the confusion about the proper types of uses for the parks mentioned, so far, is more related to their nebulous status as national parks in the first place. This is maybe where the discussion needs to begin.
Again I don't think so-called "racism" has anything to do with a discussion of market preferences, in this case the desire by certain groups to visit national parks.
Has anyone been to a blues festival lately? Has anyone voiced concern about the fact that the majority of musicians onstage are black and the majority of people in the audience are white? Is Buddy Guy worried about the lack of African-Americans buying tickets to his shows? The answer is NO. He's been asked and he could care less. Shouldn't the people who produce blues music be alarmed that there are not very many black faces at their shows? Not hardly. They have many satisfied customers whose ranks are growing, regardless of what color those customers may happen to be.
The same is true of the current rap and hip-hop stars who are draped in platinum and gold because they are selling millions of records to white-middle class suburban kids who now emulate the gangster/prison styles of low-rise pants and high-rise underwear. Should we be asking why? Isn't this a form of cultural imperialism on the part of rappers? It never fails to amuse me to see spoiled rich white kids in high-end parts of town walking around acting like inner-city hoodlums.
"This isn't simply about adding more of a certain kind of visitor or having more of a certain kind of employee; it's understanding how the realities of today are connected with the realities of yesterday." Well put Mr. Macdonald.
When all is said and done it's far more important for the NPS to be stewards of the lands that they have been assigned to administer and to not fret about what color or percentage of its visitors is of a certain racial or ethnic type. Their job is to please their customers (whoever they may be) and protect the site. Nothing more----nothing less.
The Owl fire is not as large as previously reported. See http://www.inciweb.org/incident/news/article/855/4359/ and http://www.inciweb.org/incident/news/855/ for the latest.
Jim Macdonald
The Magic of Yellowstone
Yellowstone Newspaper
Jim's Eclectic World
I am disappointed that several people commenting here talk about this issue in terms of what the federal government response should be to the issue of racial diversity, as though that's the only relevant consideration. Don't we matter in this discussion? Isn't it more helpful to talk about what our role is in this reality both in terms of what it is and what should be done?
Racism had a part in creating the national parks; they have a part in the reality today. This isn't simply about adding more of a certain kind of visitor or having more of a certain kind of employee; it's understanding how the realities of today are connected with the realities of yesterday. It's understanding where each of us fit into that story and seeing whether we can be part of changing the dynamic. That calls far less for a federal response than it does for honest conversation and for recognizing ways racism is still evident. As I mentioned much earlier, you can look at just this site's VC and see that we miss out on diversity. That's hardly a judgment on the quality of the site; it's part of a reality, though, that we cannot deny that we play a role in. The parks, too, are part of that reality, and I think we are foolish to ignore it or scapegoat either so called "free markets" or governments. It's that and much more and is ultimately quite personal in nature. I am really thankful for all of you who have shared your own personal accounts on these things. Now, where does this go from here?
And, class, and other injustices...what is it all saying, and do we have the courage to accept the consequences of a lot of unsettling conclusions? I guess we'll see.
Jim Macdonald
The Magic of Yellowstone
Yellowstone Newspaper
Jim's Eclectic World
Outstanding , explanation of the gology og the Grand. A must read for those who seek a better understanding of the forces that created this magnificant place
Great site packed with good info. Keep moving the site to greatness. I will become a advid reader.
Only one of the bottom 10 is a national park. Great Basin NP is very beautiful and a nice get away from the lights of Las Vegas. I had always heard that it is ranked very low in visitation, which is great for me. How does it compare with other national parks?
Time to privatize...the parks need to be run more like businesses. The public will be amazed at how much better they will be managed!
How do they figure totals on something like the GW Memorial Parkway? I've driven it many times and ridden on my bike alongside dozens more, and no one is counting that I know of. It's actually hard to believe given the sheer wall-to-wall commuter traffic that the total is that low. Why is something like that counted and not the National Mall?
Jim Macdonald
The Magic of Yellowstone
Yellowstone Newspaper
Jim's Eclectic World
I'll stick to H.L. Mencken's observation that "Every election is a sort of advance auction sale of stolen goods."
He also said "Democracy is a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance." I couldn't agree more.
You are quite correct that I have very little respect for politicians of any kind, especially ones from a century that produced 200 million deaths by central governments. The bloodiest century in human history had no political heroes, whether elected or not, that I could possibly admire.
But hey I'd like to end on a lighter note. Mencken also said "Democracy is the art and science of running the circus from the monkey cage." Again I couldn't put it any better if I tried.
Good debate. See you at the circus.
I think Zion is a side trip from Las Vegas for some people. Something to do once you've lost all your money...
-- Jon
It somewhat surprises me that Grand Teton is almost 500,000 visits behind Yellowstone. They're so close that you'd think someone making a long trek to Yellowstone would factor in time to visit its next-door neighbor.
And I'm not sure it's fair to include the George Washington Memorial Parkway, as I believe it receives a lot of commuting traffic.
The Zion number seems a tad high, too, as there's only one small, six-mile-long canyon that lures the lion's share of the traffic, and you need to ride a shuttle bus to do that, unless you're staying at Zion Lodge. Of course, visit in July or August and I'm sure you'll think the overall number is a bit low.
And to think, someday that nuclear test zone will be a National Historical Park where we'll all learn from our past mistakes (how's that for finally getting back to the subject of this website?) The history of the world is replete of examples where people and governments (especially when viewed with 20/20 hindsight) did the wrong thing. It gives the rest of us a little perspective and the chance to NOT let history repeat itself.
I'm taking my son to Minuteman Missile NHS later this summer to teach him about those sorts of things so hopefully he can contribute to a wiser generation in the future. He's also visited the beaches of Normandy, numerous Civil War and Revolutionary War sites, and he'll be able to see for himself what human beings are capable of. Yes, a work in progress.
I'd be interested to hear if you can point to any elected leaders of the 20th century that you admire and respect. I fear the answer might be no.
-- Jon
I guess 100 above ground nuclear tests blanketing the country in deadly radiation was a noble effort by a benign and caring government. One which has yet to admit publicly that it did so knowingly and with the knowledge that it would be not be held accountable for the preventable death, disease, birth defects and retardation of countless thousands. I won't even go into the other areas of death and destruction caused by unlawful war and the use of such wonderful substances like Agent Orange and the spent uranium being used today in the shells raining down on Iraq. A work in progress. Your love of Big Brother is truly astounding.
I'm glad you believe in an earthly saviour. I mayself have serious doubts.
Before FDA and USDA and other agencies like it, what were people's life expectancies? I'm not saying they're solely responsible for the increase but they've made their impact. Before government intervention, all the land in this country was generally viewed as lumber and ore and water for harvesting. Every redwood and sequoia would be classified as "history" rather than "nature" if it weren't for our government (with pressure from the people). Does government sometimes screw things up? I'm sure we can all agree to that. It will always ALWAYS be a work in progress. My opinion -- when one gives up on it, one becomes part of the problem. Also my opinion -- all too often business sees the government as a way to gain unfair advantage or make a profit. And all too often otherwise noble people in government fall prey to the relentless lures of greed and power. A little humility would go a long way, but we generally don't teach our children values like that any more. Every man for himself, and all that...
Ask 10 people about what's specifically articulated in the Constitution and you'll get 10 people who disagree.
-- Jon
"I am curious though about the reference to "illegally snatched". Is there any form of government that would meet your criteria?"
How about what is specifically articulated in the U.S. Constitution? Nothing more, nothing less.
If you believe the FDA makes food safer I've got a surplus Navy Yard in Boston I'd love to sell you. The same goes for the USDA "inspections". How did we ever get along before all of these regulators sprang up to save us from the predations of the free market?
I'm not sure what happened on your trip to Monticello but I can assure you that it is a better run site than most NPS battlefields, historic houses or national memoriasl I've ever visited. I was an NPS ranger for ten years, I pay attention to the details. For the most part the NPS run sites, compared to private and non-profit ones, are generally more shabby, outdated and poorly funded. It is sort like the difference between a Target and a K-Mart, if y'all can stomach private enterprise comparisons.
Good discussion Jeremy. I'm glad you are happy to disagree. We've only just begun.