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Mookie, what animals were harmed? Could you be a bit more specific, please?
I'm going to be up there in the Tetons in 6 more weeks and perhaps I'll feel differently about the Blue Angels making a couple of passes thru the park at that time.
Now, my thoughts are how wonderful it is that we live in a country that we can have such a variety of beauty and freedom. How anyone can worked up in a lather over the Blue Angels making a couple of flyovers is beyond me. There are much worse things, IMHO. We could have car bombs or suicide bombers exploding all around us and killing and maiming us every day, instead, or having leaders that dictate what we can or cannot do.
Things could be so much worse than a half dozen jets flying around for 20 minutes thru a National Park. I think there are some that take our freedom for granted and lose sight of the bigger picture, as well as what our military has done for us, also. Surely, it's not really *that* horrible that the Blue Angels shared their beauty and performance with a few lucky folks for a few minutes in their lives this past Wednesday? I know I sure would have been thrilled to have been a witness to the moment.
From the USGS: "Dramatic eruptive activity in the Cascades has been rare so far in the 20th century. Until the recent eruptions at Mount St. Helens, the only Cascade volcano that had a major eruption during this century was Lassen Peak in California. A series of intermittent eruptions of steam and volcanic ash beginning in May 1914 and lasting until 1921 climaxed, during the 4 days from May 19 to 22, 1915, in a series of violent events comprising small lava flows, massive lava-triggered mudflows, and explosive eruptions of ash. The most destructive of these eruptions included a nearly horizontal (lateral) blast that reached only about one-fifth as far as the recent Mount St. Helens lateral blast."
http://vulcan.wr.usgs.gov/Volcanoes/Lassen/EruptiveHistory/eruptive_activity_1914.html
Hey, it's not the size of the eruption, it's the... well, I don't know. But it is the most significant eruption of the 20th century in the Cascades and it ought to be left alone, IMO.
Does freedom have a sound. Yes you got to make a stupid remark about the Navy and there sound of the engines noise. U.S. men have died all over the world to protect us and others. There sound is great. Did you know that thunder and lighting is louder than the Navy Jets? God made that noise too and the animals have heard it for many years and there doing fine. Freedom cost and people like you don't understand it. You should be proud of the Navy and all our military. If not leave, you won't find a better place to live on God Earth than the USA.
USA Love it or Leave it!!
As far as the explosivity of Mt. St. Helens, it is smaller than that of other volcanoes that are presently inside of the United States. But, I think the original comment is correct, that since the United States has existed as a country, Mt St Helens has been the biggest. I know that the Mt Mazama eruption, was bigger (the caldera of which is now called Crater Lake), and eruptions inside of what is now Yellowstone are about the biggest ever documented on the planet. Check out this interesting page on Wikipedia, the Volcanic Explosivity Index.
"This was the most momentous volcanic eruption on the continental United States in the history of the country." If I'm not mistaken the eruption of Lassen Peak on was equally powerful. Any vulcanologists out there know which was bigger?
Do the Hawaiian islands count? I know many native islanders who consider the United States a hostile occupier and so maybe they don't count in the "momentous eruption" category as being in the United States.
I agee wth Frank. Let St. Helens be a place with less bureacracy and more wildness. Let's jear it for basaltic barreness.
Sounds like the government BS bureaucracy machine.
Keep up the good work. I've been critical of your "slant", as I'm far left on the issue of preservation, but you both are doing good work.
Gifford Pinchot was going to step on a tarantula at Grand Canyon when Muir stopped him. What the %)#% are you doing! Muir said (heavily paraphrased).
The VC is a f-ing disaster. Some GS-4 flunkie was trying to force me to wait in a HUGE line to pay my fee to hike even though I had an annual pass. I didn't really want to see the VC or deal with hundreds of fat, lazy tourists; I just wanted to be alone with the mountain; I bolted from the line of sheep and sprang for the trail on the east side of the parking lot. After a few miles, I was finally alone with the mountain.
The mountain should be returned to wilderness and the rediculous visitor centers, who hire inept interpreters (like my permanent GS-9 boss, who left me alone at the VC while she sunned on the Fire Island beach), should be abandoned. The VC, although I avoided it, is rediculous.
We need a new land management agency which doesn't actually manage the land. This agency should leave the land to itself and should allow intrepid humans to interact with their environment without policing them (Ala beamis).
Thank you Jeremy for the article.
Mt. St. Helens absolutely needs to be a National Park.
First, there's just the overall beauty and remoteness of the site.
Second, there's the preservation of an ecology in repair. There is a fascinating naturalist tale to be told at St. Helens: how the land recovers from trauma.
Third, it's actually a historically significant locale, and as such, deserves NPS status. This was the most momentous volcanic eruption on the continental United States in the history of the country.
If it stays with the forest service, it'll become a playground for loggers and ATVs, and thereby be destroyed.
Leave it the way it is. Less is better when nature has done most of the work.
I personally don't think the Forest Service should be building lavish Visitor Centers. If it's worthy of a Visitor Center, it's worthy of National Park status. Either close the thing permanently and let people enjoy it without all the fuss of National Park status, or make it a NM and fund the thing. I was there a few years ago with my son. We had fun without the VC experience.
Volcanoes are skittish things. We're not really preserving anything -- we're temporarily permitted to place a few buildings on its slopes until the next time it goes kablooey. Then Mother Nature reinvents the park all over again and we're back to building more roads and Visitor Centers and parking lots. But then again, it may be a thousand years before the next big one, so who knows...?
-- Jon
Watching, need to check your sarcasm detector and not take my comments too seriously every time (most of the time, but not every time). Sorry to hit your eject button... PS - Your name no longer applies... ;-)
-- Jon Merryman
Thanks everyone for the comments. Without getting into the details, we had run into a situation where we were refused some park information because we were "just bloggers". As you all have found with the new website, and backed up with Kurt's statement in this article, we are really trying to build something beyond "just" a blog. The community participation in the new site has been extraordinary so far, and Kurt and I both feel an obligation to bring quality stories to the site and feed the dialog about park issues.
Andrea, thanks for the video comment! I've got more in the works, including an interview tomorrow, and another request sent in email.
What's in a Name? "A Blogzine by any other name would read so sweet" Whatever you call it, NPT is hot. You have a lot of readers contributing their views on matters pertaining to parks and other public land management issues. Keep on Trucking.
Art
Kurt, you and Jeremy have created a important and informative appendage to understanding the critical issues facing our National Parks today (through your website). I have learned alot about the intricate aspects in how our National Parks are administratively run, ruined, raved and ranted over your website. Some of this stuff you would never find even in the back pages of your local newspaper. I know that I'm free to put my two cents in worth of blog but within respectable bounds, and I thank you for that. Remember, "the pen is mightier then the sword"! Keep up the good work!!
NPT brings attention to parks and issues not covered anywhere else. Thank you for this important work! Oh, and I love Jeremy's videos.
These kinds of events raise questions of compatibility and appropriateness. National parks are our national treasures, deserving respect and treatment as such.
No Merryland the terrorists haven't won, the lies and propoganda about terrorists that is swallowed by the American sheeple has won. The very same outfit dropping bombs on Mesopotamia is the very same one in charge of the national parks. Why shouldn't they fly their jets wherever they want to? You act so surprised. It's a work in progress, if I remember your words correctly. Maybe they'll make a park commerating the Blue Angels someday.
Your faith will be rewarded.
Interesting reading through this, I live in Jackson and yes I saw the Blue Angels do a flyby around 2:50pm Mountain time. We have a few flybys a year by the military mainly because the VP has a house here. The main concern of these flyby's is the safety of the people in the mountains, because the "sound of freedom" can cause rock debris and slides. Luckily and thankfully because of forewarning of the Blue Angels nobody was hurt. That I have heard.
As to Tom
"It is quite obvious that you were never issued a service number.
And you never served.........You have no voice!!"
I have a 4-dig MOS number and your comment is grossly out of place.
The SOG units where a great help in forming the special forces of today, thank you.
Growing up in N.J. and now living on the left coast I've seen to much of nature taken for monetary gains. I feel that if people can't hike or paddle ( in this case ) to enjoy the park without the use of power boats maybe the should stay home and watch it on the nature channel. The sky way sounds like it would be beneficial to the everglades.
"If he get impeached"...lol...you libs are so funni....
O.K., so then we have Dick Cheney as president! Yee-haw!...drop some bombs, babyyyyy!!!
While hanging out in Death Valley, on occasion an f16 will come over a mountain and buzz the valley floor. Although it is very exilerating to watch, I wouldn't want to see that happening on any kind of a regular basis.
I've had the displeasure of seeing military jets fly through the gorge of Grand Canyon, fly under the Chesapeake Bay bridge, and through Misty Fjords National Monument in Alaska. It's disgraceful -- the same attitudes that brought us the military academy mistreatment of women over the years... there's no honour in such behaviour. It just demonstrates that these people can't be fully trusted. When they sign on the dotted line and swear to uphold and protect the constitution and laws of this great land, there's no wiggle room -- no "yuk yuk lookie what I did" -- no "I was just following orders" excuses.
Yes I served, so wipe that nasty thought off your frontal lobe. Drop and gimme 20 while you're at it.
-- Jon
It is quite obvious that you were never issued a service number.
And you never served.........You have no voice!!
"Death to the West and all dangerous free-thinking peoples!"
Signed,
Your Komrads aboard the Al-Morton
-Joseph Stalin, Adolf Hitler, Pol Pot, Kim Jung Ill, Mao Tse Tung, Idi Amin, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad
I guess the terrorists have won. We have to spoil our national parks just to keep up the recruitment effort. Very sad.