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  • Battle Mounts Over Off-Road Vehicles at Cape Hatteras National Seashore   6 years 24 weeks ago


    The said animal was not hanging out on the beach but had been jumped by the park service along with several other species that were caught up in a sweep of the dune line back. The said fox was lucky enough that it escaped the removal process that occurred behind the dunes. It's luck though ran out when it was trapped between the rangers and the ocean on the beach.

    As far as breeding and birth periods what you said in your area may well be true, but in our unique ecosystem it isn't. As stated it may occur as early as mid October / mid November in our system and as late as may I add mid February as I was just corrected by a friend from NC State University.

    Now in North Carolina proper (mainland / middle of state the periods fall more into the late Jan, early March / April mold, unfortunately there is never an early fall mating season as you stated that you have in your area. In our area and most of the rest of the us that would be highly improbable but who's to say as I am convinced it varies widely by region.

    Of course I personally feel that if one looked hard enough due to unexpected habitat and species occurrences a fall mating could be possible.

    One must take into consideration the dramatic changes in habitat that occur from region to region and realize that not every species follows the accepted pattern as put forth in reference material for areas other than those forced to do so in certain areas as dictated by severe and well defined seasonal climate changes that occur.

    The plover is a prime example of this. I use to place them in a predefine time line for courtship, mating, nesting and fledgling because the book said so and if the book said it it had to be!


    I pointed out "The Book" to a fishing challenged individual once when he made mention that he had seen a pair of Plovers in courtship at Hatteras inlet split. Well the next day I was there fishing and guess what.

    There were two pairs not one exhibiting this behavior. I went home and thre away the book!

    One thing that has always intrigued me about many of the animal species located here on the island is the often diminutive size that they still posses at full maturity. This includes both the Deer and Fox.

    Tight Lines
    Big Red

  • Battle Mounts Over Off-Road Vehicles at Cape Hatteras National Seashore   6 years 24 weeks ago

    Big Red

    According to all the scientific literature (found in scientific journals) I can find, fox have pups mid-March in the South and mid-April in the North - on average.
    Even if they began breeding in early December as your source suggests, they wouldn't have pups until the end of January, or the first of February at the earliest. I even called some professional trappers I know and none I spoke to said they have ever caught a nursing female in December or January, or even heard of one being caught.
    Try using Google Scholar.

    But we all know if that fox had been female (hasn't been verified) and had pups, it wouldn't have been hanging out on the beach for hours, it would have been nursing the pups.

  • Snowmobilers Continue to Roam Illegally Into Yellowstone National Park   6 years 24 weeks ago

    No one is acting like with nutzo, environazi, quais-religious zeal. Indeed, we are *trying* to have intelligent discourse about the issue at hand, and us liberal crazies have so far refrained from name-calling (sad I can't say the same about others...)

    As Kurt says, there are more than 450 million acres of Forest Service/BLM land, and most of which is open to snowmobiling and whatnot. We only have 84 million acres of protected parkland. Who is trying to control what here? Is 84% of public lands not enough for motorized recreation? Are we not entitled to have someplace, somewhere, that is closed to motorized recreation?

    Could it be that the majority of public lands in America are already open to multi-use and/or motorized recreation? Yep. So please, stop complaining about having no place to ride a snowmobile, ATV, etc. You have about 84% of federal land in America - isn't that enough?

  • Olympic National Park Releases General Management Plan   6 years 24 weeks ago

    Link to more information from the Peninsula Daily News:
    Looking at goals for 14 areas of Olympic National Park

    Then there is the drafting of a wilderness management plan:
    Now, on to other studies

    A fun NPS link:
    Planning, Environment and Public Comment

  • Battle Mounts Over Off-Road Vehicles at Cape Hatteras National Seashore   6 years 24 weeks ago


    I'm not for more ORV driving on the beaches but I am for informed, controlled ORV driving as dictated by the ever changing seasons and habitat need of the affected areas.

    Now you mentioned Bonner Bridge!

    I've been waiting for someone to do that, kind off like the little kid that can't read sitting outside waiting for the candy store to open. He knows it's gonna happen he just don't know when.

    You don't realize it but you actually hit the proverbial nail dead on the head.

    In the replacement proposal for the Bonner Bridge there have been two major ideas that received attention.

    One is the short bridge proposal over Oregon Inlet that would actually parallel the present location and drop all traffic back onto Pea Island at the south end of the bridge for their continued journey to the promised land. Unfortunately the road to the promised land goes smack dab through the middle of a Wilderness Area slightly more than one quarter mile wide at it's widest point.

    Now the plot thickens. Option two as they call it is still a bridge over Oregon inlet but it is also a total bypass of the Pea Island National Wilderness area. This would be accomplished by the installation of either a bridge or causeway that would run South out in the sound at least one eighth of a mile from the island and return to the highway and follow it's original path just above the village of Rodanthe.

    The advantages are as follows:

    1. You actually could as you put it bulldoze the dunes and also the road in an area that constitutes almost one fourth of the total area of the CHNSRA.
    2. Approximately six thousand acres of actual wilderness area would suddenly appear in it's true form and provide undisturbed habitat for a myriad of species. ( I suspect that with the dunes and man gone the Plovers would love the area and would finally have a true suitable habitat instead of having to settle for a man made substitute)
    3. Road maintenance cost would fall dramatically as this stretch of road bed is subject to far more wash over than any other on Hatteras Island which results in astronomical upkeep and replacement cost.
    4. A new man made inlet could indeed be opened above Rodanthe where mother nature is presently and constantly trying to do so.
    5. With the return to true wilderness and the new inlet in place all truly non native species could be relocated and I mean actually relocated!
    6. It would create one of the best and largest fishing habitats on the central east coast for a myriad of species. (A bit selfish on my part but I just had to throw that in.)
    7. Even though it would be the more expensive of the two options it would actually over time be far cheaper when one considers all of the ongoing cost associated with the short bridge option!
    8. The naturally occurring rise in sea level which will put most of this areas roadbed either underwater or on a causeway over the next fifty year period could be avoided for this area.

    Alas though the advantages of the second option are so great that it doesn't stand a proverbial snowballs chance in hell of happening when one considers and applies the inevitable 360 degree rule of governmental decision making as is surely applied to all decisions that both the state and federal government become involved in!

    Tight Lines
    Big Red

  • Battle Mounts Over Off-Road Vehicles at Cape Hatteras National Seashore   6 years 24 weeks ago

    OK, if you think the locals get special privileges guaranteed to them when the seashore was formed, then let the real locals stand up. Pull out your family trees and if you can prove that you are descended from an Midgett, O'neal, Gillikin, Willis, or one of the 10 or so island families let's give you a special pass to continue to have your right to access the beach. The rest of you "locals" who moved from Jersey or have been coming for vacation for 30 years don't get squat.

  • Snowmobilers Continue to Roam Illegally Into Yellowstone National Park   6 years 24 weeks ago

    Gary, the problem with you is your probably one those guy's who are hell bent in having his own way, even if it means breaking the law to satisfy your own personal agenda for outdoor fun and activity. Your language follows the same selfish platform as the "Wise Use" folks: suck it for all it's worth and condemn those that wish for a safe and sound environment that's well managed for all of us to enjoy. I've seen over years reckless fools that need a sever mental attitude adjustment, for their so-called "outa-my-way" I'll behavior ("It's my park and I'm going to do what I damn right please!"). Also, I've seen name calling hot heads like you, wind up in jail for being a threat to yourself and to the public safety of others. Cool down or you might wind up in jail someday. Laws and regulations are written to protect the environment and to enhance the public safety...not to curtail you spirit and energy to enjoy the great outdoors. Enjoy with safety!

  • Dinosaur National Monument Cutting Paleontology Staff   6 years 24 weeks ago


  • Olympic National Park Releases General Management Plan   6 years 24 weeks ago

    I have nothing against the Port Angeles Regional COC, but to use "they can't pay for what they have now" as an excuse for not expanding the park is pretty lame in my opinion - very few NPS units can pay for what they have's a shame PARCOC couldn't come up with a more original reason for not liking the GMP.

  • Snowmobilers Continue to Roam Illegally Into Yellowstone National Park   6 years 24 weeks ago

    You are right-on "Righteous?"...too many envirowhacko bureaucrats, with the help of junk science has infiltrated our land-use agencies. It's not about protecting wildlife to's about keeping "evil HUMANS" if we are not part of the ecosystem.
    The angrier people get over restrictions to OUR parks that WE pay taxes for, the greater chance that these parks will eventually be developed as population pressures increase and land becomes more and more valuable, especially to find new domestic sources of fossil fuels to wean us from foreign oil.
    If ya can't enjoy these wildlands within good reason without nutzo environazi quasi-religious zeal that excludes us terrible humans then why have it? People ARE starting to ask that question. Stay tuned.

  • Park History: Theodore Roosevelt National Park   6 years 24 weeks ago

    I was a seasona park ranger in Theodore Roosevelt back in the 70's for several summers. A day does not go by that I don't think of the wonderful experiences I had while working there. I am so glad to see how many other people feel the same way about this area as I do. I look forward to getting back there soon.

  • Battle Mounts Over Off-Road Vehicles at Cape Hatteras National Seashore   6 years 24 weeks ago

    I''m for more ORV driving on the beach, but that would entail blowing up Bonner bridge, or letting it fall into the inlet, which ever comes first, and bulldozing the dunes from Pea Island to Ocracoke inlet. That would require anyone wanting to travel the island to do so w/4-wheel drive after arriving by ferry and it would partially begin to restore the habitat required by all the species that nest on the OBX. It would also include not closing new inlets.
    Why should the U.S. and North Carolinian taxpayers continue provide the Golden Goose for the OBX businesses? How many millions has NCDOT spent to support their profit margin? How many millions has the park service spent to support their profit margin? What's been their contribution to the Park? (answer: nada)
    Sorry if I don't feel sorry for the "businesses" who in turn break it off in we tourists during the season. As far as I can tell, the Park Service is obligated to serve the interests of the nation, not a bunch of businesses.

  • Battle Mounts Over Off-Road Vehicles at Cape Hatteras National Seashore   6 years 24 weeks ago


    Just a brief suggestion that may make you life easier in the future.

    It is often easier to not sound like a total fool if one knows his / her facts!

    In the future it would probably serve you in good stead to know things about what one espouses to have knowledge of!

    Below you will find a little jewel plagiarized from the Animal Diversity Web sponsored by the University of Michigan.

    "The annual estrous period of female red foxes last from 1 to 6 days. Ovulation is spontaneous and does not require copulation to occur. The exact time of estrous and breeding varies across the broad geographic range of the species: December-January in the south, January-February in the central regions, and February-April in the north. Males will fight during the breeding season. Males have a cycle of fecundity, with full spermatogenesis only occurring from November to March. Females may mate with a number of males but will establish a partnership with only one male. Copulation usually lasts 15 or 20 minutes and is often accompanied by a vocal clamor. Implantation of the fertilized egg occurs between 10 and 14 days after a successful mating. Just before and for a time after giving birth the female remains in or around the den. The male partner will provision his mate with food but does not go into the maternity den. Gestation is typically between 51 and 53 days but can be as short as 49 days or as long as 56 days. Litters vary in size from 1 to 13 pups with an average of 5. Birth weight is between 50 and 150 g. The pups are born blind but open their eyes 9 to 14 days after birth. Pups leave the den 4 or 5 weeks after birth and are fully weaned by 8 to 10 weeks. Mother and pups remain together until the autumn after the birth. Sexual maturity is reached by 10 months."

    Our period of estrous may vary 30-60 days here on the outer island and occur any time from mid Oct to mid Jan with actual birth occurring anywhere from early / mid December till late Feb / mid March. I have no idea what the reason behind the variations are but have often speculated that it may be due to the seasonally warmer weather we often have or the appearance of an unexpected cold period in late October.

    Tight Lines
    Big Red

  • Battle Mounts Over Off-Road Vehicles at Cape Hatteras National Seashore   6 years 24 weeks ago

    Why go to Cape Point to "protest"? It seems if these extremists had any gonads at all, they would be inside the Federal Courthouse on 4/4 and let the judge know how they feel.

  • Battle Mounts Over Off-Road Vehicles at Cape Hatteras National Seashore   6 years 24 weeks ago

    That fox didn't have any kits in the fall/winter. Fox reproduce in the spring. Why the embellishment?

    The plover is a native on the entire eastern seaboard and the gulf coast. Cape Lookout is the extreme southern end of its breeding range, not Cape Hatteras. How many plover does Lookout have? North Carolina appears to be the only state in the U.S. with plovers present year-round. Any field guide would show you that.

    From reading the injunction request, your favorite exotic and non-native predators are a threat to more than the plover. Funny, it seems to me that if the locals and ORVers would have cooperated in removing the invasive predators, this injunction probably wouldn't be happening, and I wouldn't be wondering about my vacation plans. I was driving through Avon last summer and there were cats running around all over the place. I couldn't believe it. Might as well store nucular waste in the backyard, it's no less detrimental to the environment than a cat running loose outside.

  • Battle Mounts Over Off-Road Vehicles at Cape Hatteras National Seashore   6 years 24 weeks ago

    I never saw anyone other than some of the park rangers giving out trash bags. I filled up about 5 they gave me, and they took it off of the beach after I did. And the insurance company for the freighter brought in a big crew of folks who cleaned the entire beach ... I saw them in the Cape Point bird area with a park ranger watching over them.

  • Battle Mounts Over Off-Road Vehicles at Cape Hatteras National Seashore   6 years 24 weeks ago

    One other comment. Relook at the pic of Oregon Inlet on Memorial Day clearly a beautiful holdiday weekend and a "worse case" scenerio for ORV congestion.

    Now look to the left of the pic. Nothing but sand. Everything to the inside of the symbolic fencing (stakes with twine ) is off limit of ORVS. Out of sight is a large pond that opens to the Pamlico Sound with a good foraging area. Except for this a narrow strip, the Oregon Inlet spit is reserved for the wildlife.

    And it should be easy to image a Nor'easter or a hard Sou'wester (calling for 30-40 mph SW tonight) pushing water up & flooding entire of spit at high tide and rubbing out the ORV tracks.

    What is most disappointing about this lawsuit is Superentendent Murray did a wonderful job of balancing the needs for the nesting birds and turtles while allowing access when practical. The ORV groups bought into the process and I heard very little serious complaints.

    The plovers did well in spite of the storms and the predation.

    Could it be that DOW, Audubon and SELC are afraid that another successful season will show that active and aggressive (and transparent) managment by the NPS under Murray's leadership can balance wildlife protection and ORV access?

    But then, this is really not about the birds.

  • House Parks Committee To Hold Hearing On ORVs on Federal Lands   6 years 24 weeks ago

    Personally, I feel ORVs are a bigger danger to the parks than guns. They damage the flora, muck up the trails, and increase erosion. They're noisy and they disruit & scare off the wildlife.

    A gun-toter can still responsibly enjoy the parks and not threaten anyone or anything. There is practically no responsible use of ORVs in the NPS, outside of campsites & roadways.


    My travels through the National Park System:

  • Battle Mounts Over Off-Road Vehicles at Cape Hatteras National Seashore   6 years 24 weeks ago

    OK Snowbird, with all of this, you still don't get it.
    1) The sportsmen that use the ORV's are the best protection the resource has. They bring more resources and footprints to bear when needed than any other group is willing or able to do. Why do you refuse to akcnowledge that or your lack of knowledge about the situation? Wetlands in Cali are far from the eco-system of the OBX.
    2) If the average fisherman on the OBX sees someone "raping" the resource, it will be a very bad day for the perpetrator, guranteed. The fishermen I refer to are not the holiday tourist that come once a year, I am talking about a group of very motivated individuals who have spent a ton of time and money to master one of the most specialized forms of fishing ever known. All the time and effort required to master this sport requires the participant to revere the resource fully.
    3) You only pick the bits and pieces of the situation and comments that are inflamatory. The vehicles are no detriment to the environment on Hatteras when compared to the crap in the rain (some of which came from good ole Cali) and the fertilizers and waste in the water dumped from all areas east of the crest of the Blue Ridge.
    4) Bottom line is, it is NOT your back yard. I do not pretend to be well informed about the plight of the Blacktail deer and how they are dealing with the huge encroachment of humans in California but I am willing to bet I know more about deer overpopulation and vehicular incidents involving deer there than you know about the beaches of Hatteras.

    I and no one else who has posted here wants to see any damage caused to this awesome resource but we appreciate it because we are allowed to use it. We recently began paying for a special fishing license to fish coastal areas. There were complaints but about 5% were about the license, the other 95% were about the fact that the majority of this money will be tapped into for other projects and not used for conservation efforts and habitat improvements as it is earmarked.
    The economic impact will stretch hundreds of miles from Hatteras if the resource is closed. Tackle shops from far away will have no customer for a surf rod or a rod spike.
    There are two positives from this issue though:
    1) The issue is motivating the real protectors of the resource, the outdoors enthusiast who use it.
    2) I have been surf fishing seriously for 15 years and I have never joined the North Carolina Beach Buggy Association or the Outer Banks Protection Association but the radical movements of "Conservation" groups have caused me to write the check!

    Somebody please post contact info for these two groups for the benefit of myself and other enthusiasts who have been slack. I just hope it's not too late.

  • Battle Mounts Over Off-Road Vehicles at Cape Hatteras National Seashore   6 years 24 weeks ago

    Snowbird, you continue to amaze me. So here's some more facts for you to ignore.
    73 miles of ocean beach on Hatteras Island, less than half of that is open to ORV access in the Winter and roughly 25% or less during the breeding season depending on the size and scope of the closures. The remaining portions of beach are closed for nesting, safety and seasonal closures. The seasonal closures exist to provide pedestrian access in an ORV free zone and for years now, the majority of them have remained closed year round in spite of the lack of pedestrian traffic.

    The picture used in the article is of the beach on the north side of Oregon Inlet on Memorial Day weekend and doesn't come close to an average weekend usage. Average usage during the summer puts less than 50 vehicles in that same mile and change of beach. Assuming the beach isn't covered with water. By the way, that will happen today, tonight and tomorrow because of the winds.

    On the other side of the inlet is Pea Island. No ORV access at any time. And yet no Plovers and breeding success for the other birds is no greater than in areas where ORV traffic is allowed in the proximity of breeding closures.

    The majority of Hatteras Island and almost 90% of Ocracoke are part of the CHNSRA and absolutly no development will ever occur there. So nothing like the nightmare you describe in your back yard will happen here. Again, I suggest you go to Google Earth and have a peek.

    You mentioned an EIS...that can mean one of two things. If youre referring to an envirnmental impact study, the EIS reguarding ORV useage showed No Significant Impact. The same is true about the EIS reguarding the replacement of the Bonner Bridge.

    If youre referring to an Economic Impact study...the data that the Voglesoong study contains; that which DOW, Audubun, and SELC like to tout shows minimal economic impact by closing the beaches. Not hard to do when you dont bother to survey beach users and buisness owners and restrict your survey to a smattering of visitors to the lighthouse and some windsurfers at canadian hole neither of whom need four wheel drive or beach access.

    Compaction studies have been attempted on our beaches in an effort to determine if ORV usage harmed the beaches. The problem was/is that every time it rains all compaction data is erradicated. You cant find impact where none exists. In fact, with todays winds and tonights rains, when I head out to the Point in the morning at dawn, there will be no tire tracks or ruts. Just a pristine beach. We enjoy perhaps the most dynamic beach system on the planet. Our beach changes shape daily. Not because of ORV traffic, just plain 'ol nature.

    Again, this is not a zoo. The birds are not required to nest within the bounds of the park. The N.C. bird survey which was just released shows increased success in breeding. Especially within sight of the Park.

    ORV use within the park has been on the decline since the mid '90's, bird closures have been erected earlier and they are larger than ever. But that has had no real impact on breeding success.
    2007 was one of the most successful breeding seasons for Plovers in years. But it wasn't the larger, earlier closures that did was the lack of storms during breeding season. You may scoff at that but bear in mind that the vast majority of these islands rest less than 8 feet above mean sea level. Even a reasonable storm can flood this place closing the highways and cutting off our access to higher ground. In fact, that happened just last saturday. And might happen again today. And when the highway is flooded, all of the beaches are too; meaning any Tern, Plover, Skimmer etc. looses their nest and chicks. And what the water doesn't get, the ghost crabs do. Please explain to me how my truck on the beach has any effect on the power of mother nature.

    This place is unlike anything you've probobly ever seen in your life. And we do a fantastic job of maintaining it. If I were a millionare I'd offer to fly you out here so you could see it for yourself. Id take the time to show you how things work out here, thirty miles out to sea. You would be in awe. But you would leave with an understaning you dont have now. And in all likelyhood, youd want to stay forever.

    my $.02


  • Segways in the National Parks: Do We Really Need Them?   6 years 24 weeks ago

    I think all this hatred towards the Segway is true ignorance. Finally an invention has come along that not only makes life easier, cheaper, and safer, but it asks nothing of us, and here you are rejecting it. The Segway is like that "nice guy who finishes last".

    Let me make some points of ignorance:

    1. "It's for Lazy People." FALSE: Standing, leaning back and forth, and keeping balance for 15 minutes+ threw changes in terrain requires a lot more energy then sitting in a car. Maybe not as much as walking, but would you really walk 2 miles for a gallon of milk, or are you going to drive? That's right you lazy polluting jerks. You're gonna jump in your car.

    2. "It's for Rich people" FALSE: Since when is a $5000 scooter (that requires no further costs, no fuel, registration, insurance, license, or mechanical maintenance) for "rich" people, yet a $12,000 motorcycles are for the average blue collar American?

    In conclusion, it is in my personal experience that owning and driving a car is many times more stressful, more dangerous, more extravagant, unnecessary, and more expensive for the average American , and we don't even realize it. It's like a dimension we can't see. I ride a Segway (3 years now) and rent cars when I need one. I spend less money then EVERYONE I know on transportation and I'm always driving something nice.

    DISCLAIMER: I work and live with in 4 miles of each other. However, I refused to get work outside of a 5 mile radius from where I live.

  • Battle Mounts Over Off-Road Vehicles at Cape Hatteras National Seashore   6 years 24 weeks ago

    Thanks to all the folks that have posted and shown you care on both sides of the issue!

    Yes even you BW!

    Big Red

  • Battle Mounts Over Off-Road Vehicles at Cape Hatteras National Seashore   6 years 24 weeks ago

    The Bodie Island Spit is not capable of holding 1000 vehicles as stated at one time. There is not enough land mass to handle that number unless they are stacked upon each other.

    Someone is using numbers for their own design.

  • Battle Mounts Over Off-Road Vehicles at Cape Hatteras National Seashore   6 years 24 weeks ago

    I go to the Outer Banks at least 4 times a year. Every year it is the same sight, 100’s of ORV driving recklessly over duns, through nesting grounds which are not marked at all, killing all wildlife in their way…. I even saw one ORV chasing down helpless chicks and killing them just for the fun. Oh wait my mistake what I meant to say is that 80% of the beach is wide open and free from ORV, not because they are limited but because everyone goes to the same few spots (hence the crowded picture, Its only like that a very small percent of the time. Everyone pretty much drives in the same ruts as the vehicle in front of him, at a ridiculously slow speed. Everyone respects the clearly marked nesting signs where ever they may be. Each ORV is a licensed and inspected vehicle, not ATV’s Motorcycles, etc jumping duns like other beaches. Most if not everyone is very respectful. In fact my family started going to the OBX instead of Myrtle Beach because it is definitely less crowded and 99% cleaner beaches. In fact when a huge cargo shipped spilled 1000’s of ceiling fans and tons of Styrofoam into the ocean only to be washed up on the beach, my family and I traveled 748.5 miles to Avon to help clean it up. I guarantee you there were far more ORV drivers, locals, and fishermen out there then the 2 Environmentalist I met. That’s right only 2 (I’m sure there were more, but I met plenty of people that day). Now about this bird problem, it is not the ORV that are killing the birds, it is the birds who choose to nest on a strip of beach that has water only a few hundred yards from it on either side. Every major storm will wipe out the population of all chicks who cannot escape to higher ground. Foxes and Raccoons can’t be trained not to eat eggs or chicks of certain birds. Every time I see a nesting area that is roped off, or a game warded/ranger who lead ORV’s past the nesting area, people are very cooperative and the last thing they have on their minds are hurting the birds. They are just there having a good time with their friends and family enjoying God’s creation. Now I know you do not believe me. (The rest of this sentence was edited to remove an unnecessary attack.) But the solution would be to focus your energy and resources toward saving the birds. Maybe building some sort of shelter, maybe a relocation program (from the storms, not the ORV’s they do that on their own) or setting up some more stable fencing to keep out the Raccoons and foxes. Anyway, it just seems foolish to punish the folks who are probably doing more for the environment, such as traveling 100’s of miles spending 1000’s of dollars in a local community that puts so much of their hard earned revenue back into protecting the environment, then to come up with an actual solution. In fact the enviro’s are going to really screw over these birds, much more than any ORV did. Thank about it, the people who care most about the OBX and keeping it natural are the ones who live there. That is why you do not see large hotels, or why it is not overly commercialized like Myrtle Beach, Daytona Beach, etc. However without the ORV it is going to be so hard to get to the beach, people are going to stop coming. The money that is used to protect wild life will fade away, and the whole local economy will suffer a huge loss. Sure they may be some tourist who take the lighthouse tour and who drive up and down hwy 12 to look at the birds, but people are not going to drive hours past other beaches, to walk farther and fish less. Pretty soon the state will not have the money/interest in protecting the OBX from eroding away and then the little communities known as Buxton, Avon, Hatteras, Ocracoake will be nothing more than a sand bar that is washing more and more into the sea, then where will your birds go? Do you think they would wish they had their miles of roped off protected area? I bet they would.

  • Snowmobilers Continue to Roam Illegally Into Yellowstone National Park   6 years 24 weeks ago

    Feel better?

    I've addressed this quite a few times over the years, but let me try to lay it out for you again.

    There are more than 450 million acres of public lands overseen by the Forest Service and BLM, and most of that is open to multiple use, ie. mountain biking, snowmobiling, hiking, Jet skiing, etc.

    There is just about 84 million acres of national park acreage, and some of that already is open to gas-oriented recreation. There is no need to open all of it.

    The Park Service has a decidedly different mission than the Forest Service and BLM; it's focused more on conservation of the resources, while the other two agencies are focused on multiple use of the resources on their landscapes. In a nutshell, there already exist more than enough opportunities for snowmobiling without a need to break the law.

    To say that snowmobilers should not illegally roam into Yellowstone is not telling them they can't enjoy their sport. As the above figures clearly indicate, there is plenty of space for them to get their kicks without breaking the law and illegally entering the park. Heck, they could legally enter the park if they wanted to observe the rules. That said, for most snowmobilers who head to West Yellowstone, a trip into the park is merely a side trip to their forays into the national forests surrounding the park.

    Mentioning your dislike of NASCAR isn't even germane to this matter, as there's nothing illegal about racing in circles on a track.

    As for whether snowmobiling is beneath me, I've ridden sleds before and think they're great tools for negotiating deep snow where necessary. I don't own one, but I certainly don't wish them wiped from the landscape. I just happen to believe that the land-management agencies have different roles and the general public should respect them.