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  • Is the Bear "Hunt" in Katmai National Preserve Sporting or Ethical?   6 years 42 weeks ago

    What kind of humans are these? Given the talent and sportsmanship required for this killing, why don't these guys just go hunt at the zoo? This is ridiculous.

  • Katmai Bear Hunt: Outfitter Says It's No Walk in the Woods   6 years 42 weeks ago

    Some of you just amaze me. First off, If people don't manage their population then mother nature will. These bears are the top predator, so what is going to keep their numbers in check? The NPS has to do something to control the population and keep the numbers at a healthy level. Either tax dollars will be spent on it, or hunters will come in and pay to do it. You can't argue the fact that if the numbers get too high for the are to support then the animals suffer a much harder death.
    The fact that they don't seem to fear people does not mean they are tame. It means they are potentially more dangerous. Ask the people whose towns are raided by polar bears every year.

    About the Treadwell idiot, how are these camera people any different? talking about how it fed in front of their camp. Would they shoot the bear if it came after them or just keep saying "nice bear" while it opened them up?

    While I don't like leaving any meat in the field, don't be fooled. It did not "rot in the open stream" as you say. Since Lone hiker wants to discuss biology, maybe he will be so kind as to honestly tell us how many animals/organisms are likely to recieve nourishment from that animal?

    Sorry, the argument that the meat is left to waste doesn't work in nature, Nothing goes to waste

  • Is the Bear "Hunt" in Katmai National Preserve Sporting or Ethical?   6 years 42 weeks ago

    The management of wildlife is mostly paid for by funds that come from hunting and fishing. Just what percent of a bear viewers money spent in Alaska go to the management of these bears? NONE

    Without the funds from hunters and fishermen these animals would not be there to view. Maybe you should look at why are these bears so humanized, move the viewing stands away from the river.

    Go to any river bears are fishing on and you can walk up on them the same way. It's not that they are used to people, they are there to eat.

  • Is the Bear "Hunt" in Katmai National Preserve Sporting or Ethical?   6 years 42 weeks ago

    I am not very good at expressing myself but I have to say that the Bear Hunting in this manner is very inhumane. It just shows how insecure some men are that they have to prove to everyone how macho they are with the hide and head of a unsuspecting and trusting animal.
    Hunting for food is a necessary evil in some parts of our world, but this is just plain barberic

  • Katmai Bear Hunt: Outfitter Says It's No Walk in the Woods   6 years 42 weeks ago

    A large, male grizzly (tagged Bear 141) protecting the campsite was killed by park rangers while they attempted to retrieve the bodies. A second adolescent bear was killed a short time later after it charged the park rangers. A necropsy showed that the first animal had consumed parts of the couple's remains. It is unclear if this bear killed the couple or if he ate the remains after their deaths. In the 85-year history of Katmai National Park, this was the first incident of a person being killed by a bear.[1]

    So much for the same bear theory, eh?

    This citation was lifted directly from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_Treadwell

    Anon, I believe these data and others noted with the Wiki story suggest my synopsis be slightly more accurate than they support your hypothesis. But thanks for the added details..........

  • Katmai Bear Hunt: Outfitter Says It's No Walk in the Woods   6 years 42 weeks ago

    Same species doesn't qualify as same bears. Rogues exist across all flora and fauna. Indeed, even particular plant species qualify, though I hardly desire to present a 300-level biology lecture in this short space. Suffice to say in layman's terms they're generally referred to as mutants, at least in the microbial and plant taxa. Rogues are something science typically connotes with avain, reptilian and mammalian groups. Catch me another time, eariler in the day, for the same lecture I'd present to science majors in a formal setting.

    Speaking of Mr. Treadwell and guest, not that I had anything directly to do with it, but I believe you'll discover them to be among the annual recipients of a Darwin Award, an honor (such as it were) bestowed upon certain lower forms of life on the evolutionary scale who have exhibited the intellect and common sense of a used grapefruit, and by doing so directly impacted their own demise via an unusually bizarre manner, which was typically completely avoidable, and never without what would be considered even a close to average demonstration of IQ. Whether in a moment of poor judgement, substance induced or not, a momentary lack of reason or more commonly by just plain over-the-top stupidity, these models of humanity made a conscious choice to remove themselves from the gene pool. And the rest of us are grateful for the opportunity to have these specific examples to point out to our own children and say, "Don't let this happen to you".

    My sincere and most heart-felt sympathy to their respective families for having to endure their loss through such a gruesome manner. I'm sure they were both fine people in their own right. But this was something that was completely avoidable by observing even minimal precautions, and as such they should never have placed themselves in the position whereby this incident was allowed to occur.

  • Katmai Bear Hunt: Outfitter Says It's No Walk in the Woods   6 years 42 weeks ago

    How do you know that these were the same bears? Were they officially tagged as such?

    And what does Timothy Treadwell have to do with this anyway? He got what was coming to him. His demise was a Darwinian masterpiece.

    As a ranger I had to constantly remind park visitors that all animals in national parks are wild and untamed, even the cute little chipmunks & squirrels begging for handouts on the overlook railing. Should they also qualify as legitimate targets of oblivion through a rifle sight? After all they bite far more people than bears do and can carry fatal diseases like rabies and the plague. Come on dude, be for real! Talk about your lazy logic!

    Your point is meaningless and without connection to this incident.

  • Katmai Bear Hunt: Outfitter Says It's No Walk in the Woods   6 years 42 weeks ago

    The link he provided says the bears munching on Treadwell were killed right away. Didn't read his own link.

  • Katmai NP : Another Gem in Alaska's Crown   6 years 42 weeks ago

    You might not see a single bear, because you are not allowed to walk on the bear viewing platform.

    It's important to know Katmai has a "stay 50 yards away from the bear rule". As a consequence it can be impossible to reach the bear watching platform for hours or even the entire day. Park rangers get to decide when you are allowed to cross the bridge. I don't want to debate the scientific basis of the 50 yards rule, which nobody including a bear biologist could explain, however I was appalled by the way rangers seemed to enjoy the power this rule gives. I would assume the rule was originally created to protect visitors and bears, however by now it is often misused by rangers to hold tourists back from seeing bears. We "lost" on several occasions openings to cross the bridge because rangers wasted time by e.g. explaining "how to cross the bridge as a group" instead of using the time while the bridge was closed. Just spend enough time explaining how to walk over a bridge and you can be certain a bear will come close enough to shut down the bridge. Another favorite ranger game was: "I get to decide who is first." - and who will not see any bears. The Katmai N.P. rangers do not seem to care about visitors, they seem to care about getting a feeling of importance from bossing around "rich tourists" they dislike with a passion. Justification: Safety. To my knowledge there are no reported grizzly attacks on groups of four or more people. Point this out and they will agree. Now you will hear things like, "we don't want to get the bears used to people", "we don't want a petting zoo" and plenty of other things "they want". I have never been to a park where the relationship between rangers and visitors is so poisoned and where the rangers enjoyed so little respect. Rangers in other parks are helpful great people.

    A possible solution could be an elevated platform starting at the lodge, crossing the river and connecting to the platform on the other side. Advantages:
    1.) Everybody could get to the other side of the river and see bears
    2.) The bears would no longer be bothered by the floating bridge
    3.) The ugly trail along the river could be re-naturalized
    4.) The relationship between rangers and visitors would certainly improve
    5.) Katmai would be an even safer place, than it is now

  • Katmai Bear Hunt: Outfitter Says It's No Walk in the Woods   6 years 42 weeks ago

    Lone Hike, these are the same bears that ate Timothy Treadwell and his girlfriend. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_Treadwell Sounds like they are pretty wild to me.

  • Is the Bear "Hunt" in Katmai National Preserve Sporting or Ethical?   6 years 42 weeks ago

    I wrote to the Bear League who does great work in the Tahoe area.

    (If you don't know anything about them, check out this link about a recent bear rescue -- simply amazing what people who care can do in a hurry to make a difference.) http://www.savebears.org/bear_news/savebearfatalfall9_07.html

    Personally I'm glad to see something that perhaps all of us here can rally around. I can't wait until these creeps' names come out into the public domain.

    If our country has a national bird, why not a national mammal as well? Only when we start seeing grizzlies on the dollar bill next to the eagle will they get the respect they deserve. They should be strictly off limits.

  • Is the Bear "Hunt" in Katmai National Preserve Sporting or Ethical?   6 years 42 weeks ago

    Brad: Thank you for a very thoughtful post. I work in the field on the coast of bc with the bears and it's refreshing to hear someone speak about the challenges the bears faced with the lack of salmon spawning. Is there someone in Katmai who photo id's the bears and records their return year after year?

  • Is the Bear "Hunt" in Katmai National Preserve Sporting or Ethical?   6 years 42 weeks ago

    Looks like the folks at Fish and Game think people come to Alaska each year to go to a zoo and hunt bears. Wake up the dollars come to the state to see alive bears, why dont we hunt bears from airplanes, and at least make it sporting.

  • Is the Bear "Hunt" in Katmai National Preserve Sporting or Ethical?   6 years 42 weeks ago

    Not only equally detestable Frank, but by acting in assentia as the agent of destruction for sanctioning the killings by regulating the issuance of permits, they are both compliant and co-conspirators in the actual act.

    Jude-
    My deepest sympathy for you and your brothers whom these "hunters" have deeply offended. I am in no small manner highly embarrassed to be part of the same race that is carrying out this action. ANYTHING that is within my power, be it letter writing, signature collecting, fundraising, or the like, you have my complete cooperation. We must ensure that this current travesty is absolutely the FINAL chapter, and in the fight against legalized slaughter of one of the park's finest creatures, we cannot and WILL NOT remain silent. Post your requests and watch the response.....

  • Is the Bear "Hunt" in Katmai National Preserve Sporting or Ethical?   6 years 42 weeks ago

    Sirs: what you witnessed was what I have seen all my life these so called hunters are not sportsmen they are cheaters and if you could look at what they have done their whole lives you would see they have cheated at everything weather it be their work, sports, or familey the commen thread will be they took the short cut, cheated, and they are lazy. the only thing they excell at is bragging how great of a hunter they are. The people involved in bringing these so called hunters into the area are motavated by greed they are also cowards and of course cheaters. As for the park service the people who are there standing by and allowing this to happen need to be fired. One can only wonder how all these people involved in this will justify themselves when they stand in front of God and he asks if they felt they did the right thing to his bears.

  • Katmai Bear Hunt: Outfitter Says It's No Walk in the Woods   6 years 42 weeks ago

    Those bears fear nothing as they know they are on top of the food chain! Thats not a good thing and with that many bears there it wont be long till you start seeing Campers and Hikers start missing!

  • Katmai Bear Hunt: Outfitter Says It's No Walk in the Woods   6 years 42 weeks ago

    I've been selected to hunt one of Georgia's state parks to reduce the deer herd population. Hope I have such good luck!

  • Centennial Projects: Fighting Mosquitoes in Grand Teton National Park   6 years 42 weeks ago

    "...and implement protection measures to reduce exposure to these diseases."
    Wondering what this would bring about, "Do Not Feed the Mosquitoes" signs?

    "But should doing battle with these bloodsuckers be memorialized as a Centennial Initiative project.."
    Naw, sounds a little silly to me.

  • Is the Bear "Hunt" in Katmai National Preserve Sporting or Ethical?   6 years 42 weeks ago

    The NPS has a long history of ignoring the Organic Act's command to protect parks' wildlife. This is just the latest in a century-long history of needlessly destroying animals, although this time the NPS is allowing the destruction rather than carrying it out, but both are equally detestable.

  • Is the Bear "Hunt" in Katmai National Preserve Sporting or Ethical?   6 years 42 weeks ago

    I am a naturalist of the Bear Clan Totem.
    I had a good cry over this.

    The blogging served to sound emotions.
    The karma of those involved will be swift indeed.

    Now we must take action to protect the bears.

    It is very disheartening to learn that you who have been most closely involved with this issue have pleaded repeatedly to no avail. Chris and Bill de Creeft, your comments are well taken that it this is a National Park and perhaps it will take the outrage of the Nation in general to affect a change. As you pointed out Bill, this land belongs to us - as well as it's natural inhabitants.

    In Haleakala National Park in Hawaii recently a moratorium was called on a commercial biking venture in that park in response to the resulting number of accidents.
    (see: http://www.nationalparkstraveler.com/2007/10/haleakala-national-park-officials-institute-moratorium-bike-tours)

    Surely, if we raise our unified voices now, we can affect some similar action.

    In Jim Stratton's article re: the formal request of August 2007 to decrease the limit of these majestic creatures allowed to be hunted and killed in Katmai specifically, there appears a graph chart clearly showing the decline in sightings and the increase in killing. This piece of information alone should stand as a testimony to the need to rethink these practices, particularly since it states on the National Parks Service website that the very presence of these wonderful bears, in large part, inspired the creation of Katmai Preserve to begin with!

    In addition to writing to Marcia Blaszak, as Chris suggests, (Thank You Chris!) I propose that we draft a letter as a representation of the general consensus of concerned American citizens and taxpayers, to be sent to:

    The National Parks Service
    Alaska Region of Parks Services
    the Outdoor Council
    Alaska Board of Game

    And to the congresspeople who represent each of us (who partake in this process).

    In this letter we will Demand a Cease and Desist or a Moratorium (or what ever language of the concensus fits)
    of these hunting practices until a sound and effective management policy can be established that is in the highest good of all.

    We can collect as many signatures as possible in a three to five day period and get the ball rolling right away!

    Are you with me?

    Jude

  • Is the Bear "Hunt" in Katmai National Preserve Sporting or Ethical?   6 years 42 weeks ago

    So far the outrage is white hot. Keep blowing on the coals people. This is the one case of gross mismanagement that might actually produce some heads on a platter and maybe even some real accountability to a mostly unaccountable agency.

  • Katmai Bear Hunt: Outfitter Says It's No Walk in the Woods   6 years 42 weeks ago

    Mr. Hamilton, I carefully read your story on the Katmai bear slaughter, and that's exactly what it is...a slaughter...even in the confines of the Alaskan game laws. However, I don't buy your sugar coated scenario what happened during this easy kill. You mentioned, there was "no mechanized vehicles" used during the hunt. So, therefore you (the so called hunters) drop kick the kill with relatively little ease, and with no intentions of bringing back the bear for it's meat, but only just let it rot in the open stream. Wonderful game tactics! Yes, my emotions run high on this tragic episode of ruse games laws that allows this kind of pathethic killing to continue. Not just in Katmai but else where in Alaska. I can remember stories about so called game hunters shooting bears from private planes...etc.. Alaska, in my estimation, only surrenders to the powerful fish & game lobby that allows and wants weak game management laws to be implemented...or not to be heavily enforced. From my close allies in the field of conservation have told me, it's not about game management in Alaska...it's about MONEY!

  • Katmai Bear Hunt: Outfitter Says It's No Walk in the Woods   6 years 42 weeks ago

    "Our management aims are for a high density of bears and we think we are achieving that." This is the typical bureaucratic gobbledegook we have come to expect from the career minded robots who staff the elite ranks of the NPS.

    I'm so glad you are meeting the goals of your management plan. You deserve a pat on your spineless back.

  • Is the Bear "Hunt" in Katmai National Preserve Sporting or Ethical?   6 years 42 weeks ago

    Thanks to all for your passionate comments-Ken and I along with many others have fought this for years through the agency channels to no avail - hopefully this public outcry will make a difference. PLEASE though lets redirect our ire from the hunters, of whom there are many good, ethical men and women who are as shocked and abhorred as we are that this is happening; we need to direct all of this energy to the agencies who can make a difference. The ADFG has it's hands tied-there are lots of bears in the GMU that this area is part of-it isn't a matter of bears being threatened as a species-it is this small population of very important, habituated bears where the problem lies. This has to go to the Federal level-this is a National Preserve-contact she is the Superintendent of Alaska National Parks, contact your congresspeople-let them know that you are not happy about the way this area is being managed-they may write back that this is a state issue-not true-while the state and the parks co-manage this area the parks has the final authority. It will be through these agencies that we effect a change-not by bashing hunters.

  • Is the Bear "Hunt" in Katmai National Preserve Sporting or Ethical?   6 years 42 weeks ago

    I would like to raise another question in regards to the agencies who seem "very comfortable" with the sound science that supports that the number of bears taken in this region (about 30 bears a year) is reasonable. One should remember that bears are extremely complex, intelligent animals, with a vast memory of how and when to access food sources. They state that biologists flew over this unit in August and counted a bear for every square mile, and that this density is "high." Bears are not necessarily resident creatures with a set home range- their location varies with a vast number of factors. For example, I know from working on the Katmai Coast this summer that there was a failure
    of many crucial fish runs, namely the pink salmon runs of july
    and August in dozens of river systems. The bears, especially the sows with cubs, and single, fertilized sows, did not get the calories they needed during the early summer. The high country lakes and rivers of the Preserve provide the last late fish runs and some of the most productive berry crops for the
    bears who need the calories the most. I beg the question,
    did the August survey of bear numbers represent a growing population, or an influx of transient bears who traveled long distances from the Katmai Coast and only 25 miles from McNeil River who were trying to compensate for food source limitations in other regions? Can we be sure? I beg managers to be extremely careful as grizzly bears have one of the slowest reproductive rates among terrestrial mammals. If we make a mistake and overharvest, it takes a long time for the populations to recover. These populations are too valuable for mistakes to be made. Is it worth the risk? I hope managers consider Chris and Ken's valuable anecdotal data that supports a drastic drop in bear numbers in the preserve. The issue of ethical hunting is a less viable point. This is an issue of overharvest through mismanagement. SHould hunters be killing single sows? Should there be a harvest cap on the hunt? Should the season be rolled back to mid october? Should the population survey techniques be scrutinized to the fullest degree? YES!