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Higher Fees Coming To Muir Woods National Monument

Jun 7th - 19:51pm | ecbuck

How funny. Lee wants someone to substantiate their claim after he has done nothing but run when asked to do the same. 

Jun 7th - 19:36pm | Lee Dalton

Smokies, can you provide a link or copy of that record of comments?  Let the rest of us see it.  Then we can decide for ourselves who is right.

Jun 7th - 18:35pm | SmokiesBackpacker

Wild Places,

Jun 6th - 13:22pm | wild places

Bison Gores, Tosses Australian Visitor Several Times At Yellowstone National Park

Jun 7th - 14:09pm | Rick B.

Love the Kirby article.

Jun 7th - 11:42am | Lee Dalton

Here is an entertaining take on this story by Bob Kirby, the Salt Lake Tribune's most thoughtful ;-} editorialist:http://www.sltrib.com/news/2589177-155/kirby-ignoring-the-warning-signs-...His last paragraph summarizes the whole issue very well.

Jun 6th - 14:58pm | ecbuck

Anyone have an outfitter recommendation at Yellowstone to take my 6 year old granddaughter on a trail ride?  Found a 1 hr ride by Flying Pig Rafting in Gardiner but I don't know anything about them. 

Maine's Second Congressional District Favors National Park For North Woods

Jun 7th - 13:54pm | Megaera

May we please fund our existing parks appropriately before we add any more?  Please?

President Obama Proposing Wilderness, Wild And Scenic River Designations For Arctic National Wildlife Refuge

Jun 7th - 09:30am | Lee Dalton

But the view from the hilltop is so much better than what you get from under a bridge.

Jun 6th - 20:29pm | ecbuck

I don't know why Gary is worried about manufacturing in the US.  Between you, Lee and Gary there is more fabrication going on in this country than ever.  You all manufacture  broad claims and accusations but when asked to back them up, you head for the hills. 

Jun 6th - 20:04pm | Rick B.

Have a nice day, Eric.

Jun 6th - 19:58pm | ecbuck

And had your own unique interpretation. Oh but then you are smarter than the folks at NBC, CNBC and Newsweek and many more. So  tell us, where specifically does this report refute the conclusions of the 2004 report? 

Jun 6th - 19:39pm | Rick B.

Sorry, Eric. I read the report instead of the reports about the report.

Jun 6th - 19:20pm | ecbuck

Rick, you certainly have a different interpretation of the recent EPA findings. http://www.cnbc.com/id/102733638http://www.nbcnews.com/science/environment/epa-says-fracking-has-no-wide...

Jun 6th - 19:07pm | Rick B.

And now the 2004 study has been refuted, by the EPA itself.

Lend A Hand To Clean Beaches At Cape Hatteras National Seashore

Jun 7th - 08:39am | Lee Dalton

Wouldn't it be wonderful if EVERY visitor to every park simply took a few minutes to keep the place clean in the first place?Why should it have been such a surprise the morning I found a camper actually wiping down the sink he had used in a restroom? 

More Than 200,000 Said To Voice Opposition To Development On Grand Canyon National Park's Doorstep

Jun 6th - 12:30pm | ecbuck

and shut the two monstrositiesWhat exactly is monsterous?  There is speculation by some of some potential negative impacts but nothing actually known.  I say do the study - loser pays. 

Jun 6th - 12:00pm | Rick B.

Usually picking one's expressions suggests one's view. 

Jun 6th - 11:49am | Rick Smith

Maybe not "environment", ec, but they should be able to shout "Grand Canyon" and shut the two monstrosities down that are planned at Tusyan and at the confluence of the Colorado and Little Colorado rivers.Rick

Jun 6th - 11:29am | ecbuck

Rick - its an expression.  Noone is suggesting this is a game.  All that is being said is that we need balance.  People shouldn't be able to shout "environment" and shut everything down. 

Jun 6th - 10:42am | Rick B.

You know, that phrase 'stake in the game' just struck me wrong. As it stands, the natural beauty speaks for itself without need for justification, and exploiters seeking 'the game' are creating a situation, not just participating in one. The ethics of 'exploitation as a game' leave one needing a shower.

Jun 6th - 08:37am | ecbuck

Sure makes sense to me that those who seek to profit from the exploitation should pay the burden of the environmental assessment.

Jun 6th - 07:38am | Lee Dalton

Exactly right, Rick.  But those who seek to profit are all too often socialistic conservatives.  They are the ones who frequently exploit something in an attempt to gain immediate, temporary profits without any consideration of future consequences.  Then, when the conseqences begin to manifest themselves, they sell the operation off and leave the mess for others.  In the case of parks and publi

Jun 6th - 02:18am | Rick B.

Sure makes sense to me that those who seek to profit from the exploitation should pay the burden of the environmental assessment. Unless one is to be the one profiting, there are no positive definitions of the word 'exploit'.

Jun 5th - 22:22pm | ecbuck

Will money once again trump good sense?Not if it is in fact good sense.  At this point it is mere speculation.  I am all for a full environmental assessment.  Will you pay your fair share?

Jun 5th - 22:00pm | Lee Dalton

While the endless debate about climate change wanders on and on, here's something that might also need some attention.Will money once again trump good sense?

Is Global Climate Change A Threat to National Parks? Another Response

Jun 5th - 18:48pm | NPT Editors

Gary - Fyi, Kurt is away from the site for a bit this evening, and a volunteer moderator is trying to keep the discussion in bounds. As a result, yes, some comments are being edited, rather than deleting them entirely. I'd appreciate your cooperation so that won't be necessary.

Jun 5th - 18:08pm | Gary Wilson

Seriously, algorithms are what go into creating climate models.  What those algorithms generate could be another series of data points that is used in the models.  Jeez...

Jun 5th - 17:40pm | ecbuck

Sorry Kurt, must have been writing when you posted. 

Jun 5th - 17:39pm | ecbuck

yes algorithms and functions can change,We aren't talking about algorithms and functions.  We are tallking about the data.  If the temperature reads 76 and they record it as 78 they are "adjusting" (manipulating) the data. 

Jun 5th - 17:38pm | NPT Editors

Okay, folks - enough of the ping pong match. Unless you have some information on the topic of the story to add to the discussion, let's move on.

Jun 5th - 17:29pm | Gary Wilson

Man, I can tell you've never worked on anything that uses data.  I have worked in IT related industries most of my career, and yes algorithms and functions can change, if they are not accurate or are shown to present errors.  If variances, or even errors are discovered, then functions can be rewritten, slightly modified, and new queries that pull the data are generated.  Usually functions evolv

Jun 5th - 16:20pm | ecbuck

  Question:  "Gary, are these " scientists that are grounded in experimentation, math, and research" adjusting the data or not?"Answer (from Gary) "Isn't that how science works?"Thats not affirmation? Ok- I'll give you another chance - Are they adjusting the data or not?

Jun 5th - 15:50pm | ecbuck

Each of us has to make decisions about the caliber of informationYes, and my decision is to evaluate the information not the source. 

Jun 5th - 15:21pm | Jim Burnett

No, ec, I wasn't questioning the validity of content on a site because I'd never heard of it - that's no basis for anyone to discount a website.

Jun 5th - 15:10pm | Gary Wilson

Sorry, but copying and pasting an entire webpage into a comment to use it as your argument is not "citing".  I wish Kurt would just kill those posts, because they take up half a comment thread, when all beachdump has to do is post a link.  I love how you cherry pick my comments and take it out of context. I did not say anything about changing the data. I clearly said this:

Jun 5th - 14:27pm | ecbuck

Sorry, but copying and pasting an entire webpage into a comment to use it as your argument is not "citing".And exactly when did I do that?

Jun 5th - 14:12pm | ecbuck

Isn't that how science works?No its not.  You don't adjust the data to fit your hypothesis.   You adjust your hypothesis to fit the data. is simply called "plagarism",Citing someone elses work is hardly plagarism.  Manufacturing data is clearly deception.

Jun 5th - 13:53pm | Gary Wilson

Isn't that how science works?  One builds on the foundation of existing data and research.  That's what I learned in school.  That's why we EVOLVE.

Jun 5th - 13:41pm | Gary Wilson

It's simple.  There are polticians, that are mostly just marketers with great BS skills, and there are scientists that are grounded in experimentation, math, and research.  The politicians turn every little thing into a political football just to stir up division to obvious challenges.  This is how a majority of this country acts anymore, and it's why we are quickly becoming nothing more than a

Jun 5th - 13:40pm | ecbuck

Gary, are these " scientists that are grounded in experimentation, math, and research" adjusting the data or not?

Jun 5th - 12:57pm | beachdumb

It is troubling that anyone who dares to question the validity of global warming/ climate change and it’s causes is ridiculed for doing so.

Jun 5th - 12:16pm | wild places

It is troubling that anyone who dares to question the validity of global warming/ climate change and it’s causes is ridiculed for doing so. Good scientists are always questioning their results and the data that goes into them.  That is how the science gets better.

Jun 5th - 12:09pm | beachdumb

Some here lack reading comprehension skills... They are just dying to attack and/or critize everything you, I, or others with opposing view say though end up only make themselves look ignorant. 

Jun 5th - 11:46am | ecbuck

I agree Jim, anyone that thinks an organization has more crediblity simply based on the number of likes on their facebook page doesn't utilize strong critical thinking skills.

Jun 5th - 10:56am | Gary Wilson

I agree Jim, anyone that thinks an organization has more crediblity simply based on the number of likes on their facebook page doesn't utilize strong critical thinking skills.  This is like pretending that the average moron we elect to congress has more scientific knowledge than a nasa scientist that has spent 30 years of his/her life researching the subject.  The moron in congress might have 1

National Park Service: Sunset Crater Volcano Is NOT Erupting

Jun 5th - 17:48pm | Jim Burnett

But, but ... it was on the Internet, so it must be true :-)

Jun 5th - 11:31am | Lee Dalton

Aw, shucks.  And I had my camera all ready . . . . .

Higher Entrance, Camping Fees Coming To Rocky Mountain National Park

Jun 5th - 13:25pm | joseph

The yearly inflation rate, of an annual parks pass, from 2005-2009 is 3.4 percent.  The inflation is similar from 2009-2015 at 3.8 percent.  The rate increase spirals skyward, in the 2 year period from 2015-2017, at 9.5 percent.  Taking the years between 2009-2017, yearly inflation of an annual pass, is 5.2 percent.  2009 is the year the Federal Reserve opened the flood gates with a river of li

Grand Teton National Park: 3 Days In The Park

Jun 5th - 10:37am | NP_Day_Hiker

Great article Kurt!  It reminded me of some of my favorite things in Grand Teton National Park, one of my favorite parks in the NPS.

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