can't expect the park to go after them just because a flash flood warning was issued
Sep 17th - 19:16pm |
Flash Flood Warning was issued at approx 2:00 PM, not at 9-10 AM.
Sep 17th - 15:48pm |
Permit was issued~7:30am, FlashFloodWarning issued~9-10am-FlashFlood occured~LateAfternoon/EarlyEvening; Knowing how deadly FlashFloods can be in the canyon, ParkAuthorities can certainly obtain an immediate helicopter warning in the afternoon hours?
Sep 17th - 14:45pm |
Knowing how dangerous the slot canyons can be in AZ and UT .. I can't believe a tour compNy would take that chance. I know I never would, cuz death by drowning is my worst nightmare. When we were at Zion a few years ago, I climbed Angels Landing with no fear, but could only wade in the Virgin River till I was knee deep.
Thanks for the feedback, Mackie. I definitely will try to get Binnewies book. In re: to park GMPs and other plans being shelved, sadly I have to agree. The Park Service is required to formulate plans - but it they are not required to implement them.
Sep 17th - 21:26pm |
There is a lot to chew on here, particularly in terms of reference over the decades. How do these definitions and guiding policies play out on the nps ground currently?
Nice post Ray. My own limid experience with long term planning processes is that, after all the effort, they tend to get shelved. Yosemite's GMPs are a classic example. The politics behind these efforts are interesting, the best book I have read on the subject, at least for Yosemite, is "Your Yosemite" by Bob Binnewies. I think you would find it very interesting.
There are a host of guidelines that park managers can use when faced with the need to make a management decision. Most have been referred to by other commenters. However, of them all the park General Management Plan (GMP) should be at the top of the list. Each park is required to produce a comprehensive GMP that is intended to be the prime management guideline.
Thank you John, I agree. As David Brower once stated, National Parks are "nature centers, not profit centers". The NPS must come to terms both with daily automobile congestion in the major iconic parks and the neo-liberal management policies of its major concessionaires. In an excellent book recently published, "YOUR YOSEMITE", by Robert O.
Sep 15th - 15:30pm |
John D Lemons
I had two mentors when I was a seasonal ranger stationed in Tuolumne Meadows. One was William R. Jones, who was then Assistant Park Naturalist, and the other was Dr. Carl Sharsmith who worked for the NPS for over 60 years. My talks with Bill Jones often would take place sitting on some rocks by the Tuolumne River, or perhaps perched on one of the peaks surrounding the meadows.
This group was already in the canyon when a flash flood warning led park officials to announce they were closing their canyons. By that time, park officials say, there was no way to alert them to the violent floodwaters coming their way
Sep 16th - 16:55pm |
ugh, this so sad. We just hiked near it two weeks ago. A little rain came, which freightened everyone with good reason. The water really has nothing to stop it and drains right in. May they rip.
Very sad. I've never witnessed a flash flood in a canyon but hope if I ever do it's from the top. As someone who doesn't live in canyon country it is hard to grasp that a 1/2 inch of rain can be so deadly.
I'm all for Lee Dalton's suggestion of respecting the parks and those who staff it. I wonder how many people actually stop and think about that. I try to pick up after others, but I admit to forgetting about thanking those people who clean up after *me* as well as others, and who are there to provide assistance and information.
The reference to ORV use in Big Cypress Nat. Preserve is, unfortunately, all-too-common in other national parks, particularly those in Alaska. Virtually every national park unit in Alaska experiences impacts from ORVs, including designated wilderness lands. The modern four wheeler and other ORV variations became widely used in rural Alaska during the late 1970s and early 80s.
This is what would make 2016 bettter for me. That the NPS finally understands that more is not always better. As in more revenue, more visitors, more employees, more buildings, more conveniences and more parking lots do nothing to enhance the parks.
I was inclined to add a suggestion as to "make it a happy birthday by guaranteeing adequate funding", but then I realized the Step Zero before making that Step One. Step Zero is simple - everyone here knows in their heart if their Congresscritter is a true friend of the parks. If s/he is not, please vote someone else in?
How about just RESPECTING our parks. Take your litter home or dispose of it properly. Spend some time picking up litter left by a few lazy slobs or simply careless people. Leave your campsite a little better than it was before you arrived. Pick up trash along the trail. (Left back pants pocket makes a good temporary litter bag)
Christmas ornaments can be interpreted as supporting religious groups and do not belong as sales items in parks.
Don't worry Kathy, I don't think Kurt intends for the NPS to make you buy one.
Sep 14th - 15:15pm |
Big Cypress enabling legislation promised to continue traditional uses. The preserve was set aside more to protect the Everglades than as a free standing national park area. That it was given to the NPS rather than to an agency less bent on preservation was probably an error.
One early birthday wish we'd add for Acadia National Park, which is also celebrating its Centennial in 2016: Get designated as an International Dark Sky Park, as Canyonlands and other national parks already have been.
Gary, thankyou so much for your account - are my eyes watering a tad? You are indeed blessed *) . I've recently started a tentative interaction with an adult pair whose nest is in a tree not far from my CBD-edge apartment balcony (Melbourne, Aust.).
My last three attempts to get to Arches have met with defeat and forced cancellations. I sure hope it works better next spring. In the meantime, many thanks for some tantalizing glimpses of what I've been missing.
So much better than the ones that show wonderful photo sites and then mention in passing that you have to rapell down a cliff or crawl through a cave to get there! Not all of us can outclimb a mountain goat! Please keep these coming.
Sep 15th - 19:08pm |
thank you for this! Delicate Arch proved too much for me so I am especially enjoying your pictures and photo advice. Next visit will be even more exciting!
Good question, Nature Jane, very good question. Some years ago Interior, under Dirk Kempthorne I believe, put out a list of infrastructure woes that was quite alarming. It'd be great to see a new list and see how many of the old concerns were resolved.
Yes they do need to get compensated but if the NPS had been smart, and not driven by greed to get additional revenues outside of congress, I believe it might have been possible to negotiate a deal where the cost of any infrastructure investments would have offset the franchise fee it was obligated to pay.
The concessionaire needs to be compensated for his investment, otherwise, there will be no investment. That compensation will either have to come from the NPS through lower concession fees or direct buydowns, or from the new concessionaire. I think where the current process is flawed is in the LSI calculation.
Sep 14th - 00:04am |
Yes it will be $100 mil lower but in 15 years Xanterra will likely build up many 10s of millions more in LSI. Just $5 million per year in investment will put the LSI sell over $100 million next time around and $10 million/year would put the LSI over $200 million.