Being loud may not make it any more convincing, but if the same propaganda is repeated often enough and in enough TV commercials or other media, it will have an effect. Especially on that segment of the public who already lean toward a certain belief or who lack the intelligence or education or whatever it takes to discriminate. Those who may try to oppose them are stifled if they c
EC, not related to the current discussion, but an opinion piece in the New York Times, 0ct 13th, might interest you, agree or not, written by Davis Brooks. Mr. Brooks lays out his definition of a conservative, he being a noted conservative commentator, I found it was quite interesting.
Perhaps the best analogy I've read about Citizens United went something like this:
"Citizens United did not take away any of my rights to speak as a citizen. But it gave those with money a huge megaphone to use when they speak."
They certainly don't influence my vote and I am guessing not yours. I can rest assurred that I have influenced/educated more in my sphere than either Goldman Sachs or GE. The answer is not to forego Constitutional rights but rather to excercise your responsibilities as a citizen and learn the issues yourself and help educate others.
No I do not agree. Elections are won by votes, not dollars. Noone was disenfranchised. G.E and Goldman Sachs don't have a single vote. Further, I don't see where Citizens United provided any detriment to the poor or benefit to the rich - other than perhaps the rich encumbants.
EC, you do not agree that Citizens United effectively disfranchised a wide swath of the U.S. population by giving corporations the right to pour their dollars into political campaigns? How can you or I compete for political sway against a G.E. or a Goldman Sachs?
"As to Citizens United, that was not an act of deregulation but one of upholding the Constitution. And once again I don't see any direct link between it and any hurt to the poor or help to the rich. "
At this point it doesn't really matter if the comment is dishonest or blind; further discussion is futile.
Ron - the Sherman Trust Act was sheved? The only major change I am aware of to that act was the Clayton Act which exempted unions from Sherman provisions. As to Glass Steagal, specifically what provision was dropped that hurt the poor and helped the rich? As to Citizens United, that was not an act of deregulation but one of upholding the Constitution.
I agree argalite, deregulation beginning with shelving the Sherman Anti-trust Act (President Reagan), eliminating Glass/Steigel (under President Clinton), well, just two glaring examples. But perhaps the most corruptive of recent deregulation scams, this done by the Robert's Supreme Court, is the Citizens United v.
It's very ineresting that in most cases our most heavily developed parks are also among our oldest -- and those that had railroads involved in that development.
Thank goodness some like Olympic, North Cascade, Great Basin and a few others escaped being ravaged by railroads.
Oh, Lordy! Gotta run get my barn boots. The bull pucky just got awfully deep in here.
Oct 14th - 21:03pm |
ec--If you can explain PERC's mission of "free market environmentalism", I would appreciate it. I have asked them and get responses that make little sense to me. "Running a park like a business" has long been a mantra of neo-liberalism. I am surprised that Dr. Runte, long a revered environmental historian, brings it up.
Yes Argalite, just join the troops that like to make unsubstantiated claims and then run when they have no way to defend them. And as usual, Rick totally mischaracterizes my stance to create his strawman. Did Wall Street have anything to do with the last recession. Sure, because they were doing exactly what the government wanted and even demanded.
Don't do it, Argalite. Just walk away and don't stick your finger into the finger trap. You're talking with a former Wall Street staffer who denies that deregulation of Wall Street had anything to do with Wall Street collapsing our economy. Just walk away.
I had trouble understanding the purpose or point of this piece until the very end. God forbid we endorse "free market-based principles, individual property rights, and deregulation". After all, those are the very factors that made our nation the best there has ever been.
Actually, Owen, I'm pretty darn sure that virtually every business and resident of Springdale would fully support freeing up the town by adding satellite parking lots. They are absolutely upset about the current situation. I doubt, too, that they'd lose any business if shuttle buses run from south of Rockville, through Springale, and into the park. Frequrent shuttle stops in t
Lee, I'm glad I've had the chance to work in and experience Zion in 1969. I think there are many possible solutions, but few that won't be resisted tooth and nail by Gateway communities and the regional forces of industrial tourism.
"The park is anticipating conditions similar to the 2015 Labor Day weekend, when parking lots inside the park were full by 9:30 am. Once parking fills, visitors may experience traffic congestion in Springdale, and up to 45-minute waits for entrance to the park and shuttle bus boarding inside the park."
Once again, Park Service management's double-standard is on display. Every ol' boys' club needs a clubhouse, I guess. The NP$ couldn't be bothered charging bigshots, but has no problem raising fees on the public who pay for this federal dude ranch.
Oct 15th - 11:01am |
I was detailed twice to GRTE to be part of the security detail when Presidents Reagan and Carter stayed at this place. I wasn't upset then and I am not upset now when Presidents or Vice Presidents get away for a short time from the pressures of their jobs. I am sure the IG is correct but it seems to me to be hardly worth the effort.
While I'd enjoy the mild winter forecast here for North Cascades, where I live, I'm still making preparations for otherwise. In my experience weathermen are like economists - pretty good at explaining what happened; not so good at explaining what will happen.
Oct 14th - 10:17am |
We call it "Inaccuweather," which is self explanatory...
Catarct Canyon is a great river trip. The rapids, "Satan's Gut" made the list of The Big Drops, Ten Legendary Rapids of the American West by boatman and professor, Rod Nash. Running it early in the spring is a real challenge.
Owen - manifest destiny and expansion have been with this world since man evolved. There is hardly a country that exists today that wasn't established through conquest - frequently at the expense of the natives. Even the Native Americans were guilty of that. (I would guess there are many Native Americans that are thinking like Mark Twain at the moment).
I cannot help but think that EC's comment that "Yes, we are more important...." is reflective of the attitude that ultimately justified US manifest destiny and western expansion, which directly contributed to the demise of Native Americans and altered the ecological landscape of the continent.
Lee - The old and very tired strawman that tries to declare that we will all have to return to cave dwelling
How ironic, you uses the word "strawman" in your strawman attack. Noone said anything about cave dwelling.
Excellent reply, Ron.
If each of us does a little, many of us will do a lot.
The old and very tired strawman that tries to declare that we will all have to return to cave dwelling is one of the most unimaginative of a number of dodges used by those whose sense of entitlement supercedes their sense of responsibility.
EC, a fair question. I am not sure how much I could sacrifice, but I think we can do much. For starters, we can make a greater effort to re-cycle, quit using plastic bags, bottled water, cut down on our driving where possible, slow down on roads, etc. Small things but can add much.
Thank you Lisa and Barbara, I am in agreement. As habitat for wildlife becomes increasingly fractured and human expansion continues to increase with all the associated activities, poisons, high speed roads, etc., it is a real concern. For example here in California over the last 100 years plus, we have reduced our freshwater wetlands by 90%. I do think Dr.
Ah - Kalaloch. Stayed there one night. The site was spacious but in the forested area. Most of the sites with views of the Pacific were RV-only. Saw one heck of a sunset on the beach with a backdrop of driftwood logs.