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  • Op-Ed| The National Park Service Could Learn A Few Things From Its African Colleagues   1 week 2 hours ago

    Great article.

  • Can Wolves Alter Rivers In Yellowstone National Park?   1 week 4 hours ago

    http://www.press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/chicago/F/bo19341756.html

    His book has about 30 pages of notes and references...

    Some information may have come from here:

    http://www.cof.orst.edu/leopold/papers/RippleBeschtaYellowstone_BioConse...

    But I haven't read the book, so I cannot verify.

    Here is an article (peer-reviewed) which verifies that trophic cascades do indeed exist:

    https://www.sciencemag.org/content/343/6167/1241484

    The jury is still out on Yellowstone as not enough time has passed and the damage is thought to be too great for a quick easy fix.

  • Is Global Climate Change A Threat to National Parks? Another Response   1 week 6 hours ago

    Thank you John, Owen, Lyndel and Ron for a wonderful article, and so many thoughtful and patient responses.

    And thanks to many, including justinh, Rick B, Lee Dalton and Gary Wilson for helpful insights. And to those who recommended the "ignore" button, blessings on you. Try as i might to read and reflect on comments such as ECbuck or beachdumb, and an upbringing that said that all discourse should be treated patiently, the incessant spoiler behavior, harping, and dredging the ricochets from the Echo Chamber is a reminder that intellectual hostility is always a vulnerability of liberal discourse. So with just a few quick clicks i could see the median average quality of discussion soar.

    Dr. Runte i put in a separate category, because i so much appreciate his book and his advocacy of parks. And as i have got older characteristically i find myself vulnerable to referring to some long-ago work as proving that whatever i am contending now is valid. But I think now -- in challenging the efforts of those who are trying to save the planet, just as with his previous challenging the efforts of those still trying to preserve parks in his support of the nihilistic and mostly indefensible article attacking the recent parks omnibus legislation -- it seems to me attacking those working for preservation is unworthy of Dr. Runte's best work.

    The only substantial area I tend to disagree with the authors is their response when being provoked that the Earth would not care about the consequences of Man-caused climate change. My sense of the Earth is that it includes its atmosphere and ecological and geologic Systems. These systems took a long time to develop with the intricacies and richness of today. At a certain point, 'more' is actually something different. In recent times humans have been able to step enough OUT of the systems to begin to destabilize this "greater Earth" beyond recognition. I think Raymond Dasmann was right when he spoke of "ecosystem people" and "biosphere people." As biosphere people we are now standing to some extent outside the life supporting systems of the Earth and that is our risk. But also it enables us to think and -- as the authors properly note -- act.

    As regards ECbuck and such of that persuasion, actually it is quite remarkable so many others are so refreshingly different, and to the contrary work so hard to be thinking and conscientious. We would be nowhere on climate change without them.

    Because it has been pretty well documented it is typical for our species to think the future is just more of the same, that our experience of the past predicts the experience of the future.

    It is typical of our species to see conspiracies, because it is a human characteristic to see order or motive where none exists.

    There is little difference in the hostility or the attacks of those who denied that cholera was spread by London's waterworks, or the hostility and attacks of defenders of tobacco, or the hostility and attacks of those who said and documented with the very same tone as we see with climate deniers, that the bible sanctions and supports slavery.

    [In college many years ago i spent months reading hundreds of pre-civil war pamphlets all of which insisted that for religious reasons slavery was good. All with the same tone of cant and fanaticism as we read now with climate deniers or previously with tobacco or cholera or on and on. And unfortunately the key thing to remember is -- their real role was to obstruct: they were the blighters. They were the spoilers. They had the effect not of honest insight or critique but of delaying or killing necessary action, and more people died as the direct result with each of these episodes.]

    So somehow we need to find a way of treating with respect comments like Dr. Runte's that are provided in good faith even if we disagree because of the value of honest criticism, while recognizing the blighters and spoilers for what they are.

    While at the same time recognizing we are not the audience of the blighters, so that we treat that audience, rather than the blighters, with respect and do not permit the blighters a one-sided shot at twisting that audience's characteristically human perplexity at the need for change.

  • Can Wolves Alter Rivers In Yellowstone National Park?   1 week 12 hours ago

    The article above says that it raises some interesting points. It doesn't declare a scientific finding of law. Do your own damn research.

  • Can Wolves Alter Rivers In Yellowstone National Park?   1 week 13 hours ago

    Where's the science to support this stuff?

  • Study: Loss Of Colorado River Would Cripple Economies Of Seven States, From Wyoming To California   1 week 13 hours ago

    But yes, feel free to visit, since our tax structure, like so many others, is built on the idea that tourists grow the economy so WE don't have to pay.

    You think Seatle has that mentality. You should come to Breckenridge - or probably any other resort town. The lifty can come here for 22 days and vote himself subsidized housing and child care and millions to "save the plant: and leave at the end of the season. Who pays - the tourist, the condo investor and the second home owner, all of which account for that lifty's job but none of which can vote.

    [political conclusion excluded]

  • Can Wolves Alter Rivers In Yellowstone National Park?   1 week 14 hours ago

    I think this has been posted here before (but maybe it was somewhere else). I asked at that time what are the sources for the many claims that are made? Sounds much more like wishful thinking to me than documented reality.

  • Can Wolves Alter Rivers In Yellowstone National Park?   1 week 14 hours ago
  • Study: Loss Of Colorado River Would Cripple Economies Of Seven States, From Wyoming To California   1 week 14 hours ago

    Well, I don't know if I would go THAT far!

  • Is Global Climate Change A Threat to National Parks? Another Response   1 week 16 hours ago

    Thank you, d-2, for a fine post.

  • Study: Loss Of Colorado River Would Cripple Economies Of Seven States, From Wyoming To California   1 week 16 hours ago

    Oh Mamma Mia! I agree with EC! And he agrees with me!

    This is truly an historic moment!

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  • Is Global Climate Change A Threat to National Parks? Another Response   1 week 22 hours ago

    Well said, Lee! And don't forget the methane from all those baked beans we ate on Sunday! Go Hawks!

  • Study: Loss Of Colorado River Would Cripple Economies Of Seven States, From Wyoming To California   1 week 22 hours ago

    And just think. We might have had two MORE dams on the Colorado River in Grand Canyon. Then David Brower defied the president, Lyndon Johnson at the time. As for "blaming" the president, that is exactly who to blame, starting with Hoover and FDR. They saw these mega dams as make-work projects and thought little of the environment.

    Although a different technology, it is much the same with President Obama today. How much do wind and solar power do to SOLVE the problem of climate change rather than simply add to the excuse for growth? Old argument: Stop the floods! New argument: Stop climate change! Old argument: We must flood the canyons to save them. New argument: We must cover the deserts with renewable energy to save them. Save them from what? They got along just fine until too many people came along, but THAT point we ignore.

    I prefer not to ignore it, but then, I believe that population is still the problem. EC is right. Why should I pay for everyone else's frivolity? As for moving to Seattle for OUR water, forget it. We are having a low snowpack, too. But yes, feel free to visit, since our tax structure, like so many others, is built on the idea that tourists grow the economy so WE don't have to pay.

  • Study: Loss Of Colorado River Would Cripple Economies Of Seven States, From Wyoming To California   1 week 1 day ago

    May surprise you Lee but this is one place I agree that government (state and local) has failed. You won't find a stronger advocate of property rights, but municipalities allowing or even encouraging development that stretches beyond the water resources, available now or into the future, is pure malfeasance. And people who buy these properties without understanding the water implications are just plain stupid.

    What makes it worse is that they (governments and people) complain after the fact and want to take from those that planned well to make up for their own shortfalls.

  • Is Global Climate Change A Threat to National Parks? Another Response   1 week 1 day ago

    NOAA just announced that another dangerous source of human caused global warming is all the hot air generated by endless arguments over what is causing global warming.

  • Is Global Climate Change A Threat to National Parks? Another Response   1 week 1 day ago

    For pete's sake, at this point don't feed the fantasies of the deniers.

    In other words, you can't substantiate your accusation.

  • How Do You Think The National Park Service Should Celebrate Its Centennial?   1 week 1 day ago

    Beachdumb,

    "If the NPS can't wise up, be honest, and use common sense then yes I would like to see some other entity manage the seashore"

    Just what I thought. You could just go to the northern end of Dare County (say In Duck) and experience what a barrier island is like when managed by this county, you can even drive on some of the beaches there.

    Would "like minded" make you feel better?

    Pointing out law, science, legislation and management guidelines are not back door deals. You can't pick and choose and change "the best avilable science" to "junk science" just because it doen't fit your agenda.

  • Is Global Climate Change A Threat to National Parks? Another Response   1 week 1 day ago

    Always appreciate your posts, rmackie. I know and appreciate what NPS is entrusted with but I have serious concerns what they consider worthwhile in celebrating centenials. Historic culture and pop culture often run at diverse paths and can be very fickle. The significance of history, living and archival are often handled according to media and political ends. I sure appreciate when it all comes together the way it's supposed to.

    Blessings to you, sir!

  • Is Global Climate Change A Threat to National Parks? Another Response   1 week 1 day ago

    Trailadvocate, interesting post, you are right, do not let the negative BS get to you, much happening that is positive and good including this upcoming year leading to the NPS 100 year B-Day. At age 75, I must admit I get up each day just thankful I can still take my daily hikes into the "Range of Light". We all see things a little bit differently, but on this listserve we focus on parks, other public lands, environmental issues, or do much of the time, it is pretty interesting to be a part of the Traveler website, I have learned much. .

  • Is Global Climate Change A Threat to National Parks? Another Response   1 week 1 day ago

    So, what "feels" better, fantasy or reality? Have to admit reality is tough but I'll take the rough and tumble to the pablum that's being peddled. You can have Kerry and the James Taylor offer to the gullable and those hiding behind the Park's altruism. A different bunch now than Albright and Mather or MLK and Sharpton's bastardization of MLK's legacy. Sorry if I'm getting deep. Just getting so incredibly absurd the petty BS that surrounds us.

  • Is Global Climate Change A Threat to National Parks? Another Response   1 week 1 day ago

    For pete's sake, at this point don't feed the fantasies of the deniers. They are lost, and incapable of comprehending what is said to them. Let them have their conspiracy theories - it'll keep the fires burning on right wing radio.

  • Study: Loss Of Colorado River Would Cripple Economies Of Seven States, From Wyoming To California   1 week 1 day ago

    I would suggest the people to be impacted decide on what (and who) decide. Politicians have quite a different agenda than who deals with the consequences. They will be gone with their golden parachutes supporting them into the far future (and their heirs). Has anyone noticed the increase in the 1% ownership of all the wealth that exists, under this admin.? The middle class is going down friends.

    I do apologize if I've gotten to deep on the subject (as opposed to shallow:).

  • Study: Loss Of Colorado River Would Cripple Economies Of Seven States, From Wyoming To California   1 week 1 day ago

    Hmmm, could millions upon millions of new residents of the Southwest be a good thing or a bad thing for the Colorado River Basin? Simple question, I believe. A conservative asks the question. What will the reality of all this be if politicians decide? Do any of you consider the impacts of open borders obviously intended blatently to add voter rolls to the Democratic Party? Does anyone think it's purely for humanitarian motivations? Obama, the sensitive Mother Theresa incarnation? We are doomed if his case carries the day, seriously.

  • Study: Loss Of Colorado River Would Cripple Economies Of Seven States, From Wyoming To California   1 week 1 day ago

    I'm afraid you have it right, Jim. It's gonna be ugly no matter what. It will be ugliest of all for many people who bought homes there without doing their homework first as well as for people who have lived there all their lives without paying attention to what was happening around them.

    But it will be okay. They can simply blame the President -- whoever he or she happens to be at the time.