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Regulatory Landscape For Guns to Change in National Parks on February 22

Marble Hall in Sequoia National Park's Crystal Cave. NPS photo.

Is Marble Hall in Sequoia National Park's Crystal Cave a federal facility where you won't be able to carry a concealed weapon under the new gun regulations? NPS photo.

A controversial rule change concerning firearms in national parks takes effect February 22, a change likely to cause confusion and raise concerns over personal safety, but one also that could go largely unnoticed and give some a measure of personal security.

Foisted upon the National Park Service in a most curious way -- attached as an amendment to legislation that had nothing to do with national parks but everything to do with addressing credit cards -- the legislation has kept Park Service staff meeting for months on how to clear the way for park visitors to carry not just concealed weapons if they hold the requisite permits, but to openly carry rifles and shotguns.

Problems the Park Service hopes to have sorted out by February 22 include defensible definitions for what constitutes a federal facility -- Are the labyrinths that define Mammoth Cave? The warming huts in Yellowstone? Open-air facilities such as the Children's Theater-in-the-Woods at the Wolf Trap National Park for Performing Arts? The communal bathhouses at Curry Village in Yosemite? And they hope to have carefully navigated the various state laws that might use "firearms," "gun," "weapons," or some other nomenclature in their particular statutes.

Each park also is expected to have a handy information card for visitors that explains the rule change and outlines the applicable gun regulations for that park. But what looks good on paper might not look so good out in the field. For instance, how might rangers in parks with visible wildlife, such as Yellowstone, Rocky Mountain, Theodore Roosevelt, react if a visitor grabs his rifle simply to look through its scope to get a closer view of an elk or bison?

While the rule change has been applauded by many 2nd Amendment backers, there are ongoing efforts in New York, California, and Maine to block it in their states. In Maine, a legislative committee is expected late this week to consider a bill (see attached) that would circumvent the rule change for units of the National Park System in the Pine Tree State -- Acadia National Park, St. Croix Island International Historic Site, and the Appalachian Trail -- by making the previous firearms rule, which allowed weapons to be transported through parks as long as they were unloaded, broken down, and out of reach, the law.

"There is concern in a number of state legislatures by the fact that the new law, which will go into effect February 22, is NOT limited to concealed firearms being carried by permitted individuals with training. The new law allows for any kind of firearm to be carried in a national park unit unless the state forbids it," the National Parks Conservation Association said. "Some state legislators are troubled that that their state laws may not sufficiently keep firearms, such as holstered pistols, rifles, and semi-automatic weapons, from being openly carried in national park units in their states. They also worry that there could be adverse impacts on tourism.

"NPCA supports any effort at the state level to retain the firearm rules developed during the Reagan administration that simply require firearms to be unloaded and put away while visiting a national park unit. This is a reasonable requirement that has proven successful at maintaining America's parks as safe family friendly destinations. It has also served as an invaluable tool in combating poaching and harm to historical resources."

In Maine, Friends of Acadia, a non-profit that fosters and supports stewardship of Acadia, worked to see "LD 1737" introduced to the Legislature.

“The previous rules were working perfectly fine here in Acadia, and I think that for, especially for the rangers, the new firearms laws present a challenge," said Stephanie Clement, conservation director for the friends group. The old rule, she went on, made it easier for rangers to spot possible poachers; anyone carrying a firearm could be stopped. Under the rule change, it would no longer be that simple, she said.

“Really, it was a very effective anti-poaching tool. It was an opportunity for a point of contact, so that point of contact will be gone," said Ms. Clement.

Additionally, there are many park visitors who worry the rule change could actually endanger their personal safety, not enhance it, she said. While those who endorse the rule change say it will give them a greater sense of safety from wild animals and human predators, Ms. Clement said there are many others who dread the thought of pitching a tent next to another where there might be firearms, or hiking up trails with others carrying guns.

“It’s going to be a scary thing for a lot of visitors who don’t live in the Alaska wilderness or in places where people are used to seeing folks with open firearms," she said.

For the National Park Service, sorting through the regulatory changeover has been somewhat daunting. Under the change, firearm regulations in a specific park would resemble those of the state in which the park is located, except, however, when it comes to federal facilities. They would still be off-limits to visitors with guns. But what is a federal facility? Certainly, park headquarters and visitor centers would be considered federal facilities. But what about restrooms, warming huts, amphitheaters, or concession facilities?

“The federal facility law, the way I understand it, defines a federal facility as a building where federal employees work on a regular basis," explained David Barna, the Park Service's chief of communications. "Now, trying to find out what ‘regular’ means can also be difficult. We’re assuming that means if they work there weekly, that that’s probably a federal facility. But that would not include our concessions facilities.”

Campgrounds, shower facilities, and restrooms likely would not be federal facilities, since they're not regularly assigned duty stations, he added, "even though we may go in and clean them."

And yet, what about the campfire ring where there are regular ranger talks? Probably not a federal "facility," as there's no roof overhead, said Mr. Barna.

"So at a campfire talk, you would be able to carry your firearm," he said, only to pause before adding, "and again, all these things have so many caveats. In Virginia the state law says if it’s a gathering of children, it’s prohibited. So if you were at an amphitheater conducting a children’s program in the summer, in the state of Virginia, they will say that during that program you can’t have a firearm."

That's where the subtle nuances can change from state to state, and why the Park Service hopes to have those handy information cards ready for your visit beginning on February 22.

“We’ve asked all the parks, and we are going to have an all-superintendents phone call, and we’ve asked people to submit those instances where they do need to make a decision, and we’re going to make those decisions and just see how it plays out," Mr. Barna said.

As for Mammoth Cave and other parks with ranger-led cave tours?

“A cave is not a building, it’s not man-made," said the spokesman. "It is a place, however, where federal employees work on a regular basis, and we give tours, and almost all the instances, when you enter these big touring caves you’re entering through a federal facility to get into them anyway, there’s some gatehouse or entrance. Now, a cave out here in the woods, like out here behind my house, probably would not apply. In other words firearms would probably be OK. But in those places like Mammoth and Carlsbad where you actually enter through a federal facility to get into it, you probably could ban the firearms in those places.”

But when it comes to these caves, what constitutes a "federal facility"? At Crystal Cave in Sequoia National Park a ticket is purchased at the Foothills or Lodgepole visitor centers. At the cave, you hand your ticket to a ranger and pass through a gate into the cave. So where's the "facility"? A similar setup can be encountered at Mammoth Cave.

“We’re wrestling with those decisions. At some point somebody’s going to have to make a decision and let it be tested, I think," said Mr. Barna.

And then there are the concession facilities. In some parks these lodges and hotels are owned by concessionaires, in others they are park facilities leased to concessionaires.

"Concessionaires also have to operate under their state law. We’re not directing the concessions people for what they should or shouldn’t do," said Mr. Barna. "That’s kind of broken into two pieces. There is, the concessionaire dealing with the public, and there is the concessionaire dealing with their own employees. Someone in a staff meeting said they had heard -- I can’t verify this -- that Xanterra (Parks & Resorts) has as a condition of employment that their employees don’t carry firearms. They don’t want those firearms in the dorms where all of these young kids are, so they as an employer can probably do that for their employees.

"What their restrictions are on doing things for the public are something that those concessionaires are going to have to find out. How do restaurants out in the community operate?" he continued. "What can the owner/operator of a facility in that state do, and that should dictate what these concession operators can do. So it may very well be that you won’t have consistency across the country at restaurants in parks because the state laws aren’t consistent with restaurants.”

Requests made to Xanterra Parks & Resorts, Delaware North Parks, ARAMARK, and Forever Resorts for how they were dealing with the impending rule change were not immediately answered.

While Mr. Barna said there are expectations that some gun owners will show up in national parks on or after February 22 simply to showcase their 2nd Amendment rights, in the long run he hopes the rule change will quickly meld into the background.

“Even in the staff meetings you get that entire breadth of opinion ... people who are really concerned this will be a big issue, but I’m kind of the moderator who comes back and says, ‘You know, in Virginia you can carry these things now. I’ve lived in Virginia for 35 years and it’s not like you walk around the see people carrying openly," he said. "So it shouldn't be any different in the parks than it is in the states you’re in.

"...Certainly there will be those people whose view is, maybe they don’t feel safe because they know someone has weapons there. But remember, there are also those people who now feel safer because they do have their weapons," said Mr. Barna. "And so you’re going to have that whole gamut of opinion. We have had instances and emails from people on both sides of this issue, and certainly we’ve had people who say, back when the rule was proposed, 'The judge killed this, I’m never coming back to a national park until I can bring my weapons and protect my family and myself.'

"We’ve got to stay middle-of-the-road. We’re implementing a law like we implement all laws."

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"In Virginia the state law says if it’s a gathering of children, it’s prohibited. So if you were at an amphitheater conducting a children’s program in the summer, in the state of Virginia, they will say that during that program you can’t have a firearm."

That statement is simply not true. No such law exists. The closest law is one that says that a handgun cannot be carried into an area being used EXCLUSIVELY for a K-12 school function. If it's not exclusive, then the prohibition doesn't apply.

Poachers have been killing in places like Yellowstone for years. This law will not make it worse.

While I am not a gun owner, and don't personally feel I will ever need to own one, I implore NPT readers to let common sense prevail.
In the past I have opposed legal carry in our National Parks, but I've changed my mind.

Let time be the judge on whether or not this new law should stand as is or be overturned.
Crimes against people and wildlife are hopefully not likely to increase because the overwhelming majority of gun owners are not criminals. And park visitors that do not currently own a gun are not likely to go out and buy one for their next visit.

BUT I also ask in the light of common sense, that if gun related crime does markedly increase in our National Parks, at the hand of legal gun owners, then serious thought and action needs to happen to overturn this unnecessary but probably harmless law.

It might be interesting in California. Open carry of an UNLOADED firearm is legal in cities and unincorporated populated areas. I believe loaded open carry is legal in unincorporated rural areas. However - the law requires that anyone open carrying must submit to any search requested by a peace officer. There's some video of someone submitting to an inspection of his firearm - being required to place his hands against a wall while the officer checks the gun to see that it's not loaded. I've also seen in person a situation where someone was open carrying and the police had their hands ready on their guns just in case he had a loaded weapon and didn't respond well. He was changing his oil in the parking lot of an auto parts store. I think the employees called in someone with a gun. Law enforcement actually doesn't recommend open carry because of the situations where law enforcement has to respond and maybe the open carrier makes a mistake.

There have also been people attempting to bring open carry firearms into businesses only to be told they had to leave.

Parks are a very new experience for many, if not most, visitors and can be full of surprises.

A bear (or any other fear inducing critter) walking into a campground or down a trail next spring will face an increased chance of being shot. Hopefully parks that play host to both bears (or any other fear inducing critters) and humans make a strong effort to educate heat packing visitors about the efficacy of the common handgun and even a long gun at stopping said critters.


I suspect the new law will make little difference, except for an occasional unfortunate incident or two. But what I don't understand is why some people - he-man hunter types I guess - claim to be honestly afraid to walk in the woods without a weapon, while thousands of septugenians and young couples with small children do it all the time with nary a thought about it. If I read the Morning Report correctly, more people are killed and injured in the national parks now by guns than by dangerous animals.

"twill be interesting to see how Brooks Camp at [Katmai] handles it, though.

I'm not sure why folks will be uneasy merely because they "know" someone has a gun in the park. Right now many people probably carry guns illegally into these parks. Those people are called criminals and will continue to break whatever laws they like whenever it suits their fancy. By definition no law-abiding gun owner currently carries a gun into these spaces. So, are the people that will be uneasy be so because of what a law-abiding citizen is doing? If so, why aren't they afraid of what the criminals do? Let's face it folks. Laws aren't there to protect us from illegal activity. Laws do nothing more that restrict the actions of law-abiding citizens. Criminals will continue to do as they please. Me, I'd much rather trust a law-abiding citizen with a gun than an armed criminal. That kind of thinking just makes good sense whether the venue is a national park, a school ground, or a bank.

I think it's important to reiterate that the DOI changed the rules to meet the 2nd amendment requirements of protection without allowing ANY long guns. This initial proposal would have allowed for concealed weapons only, and still given rangers the legal right to stop anyone with a long gun and speak to them. This would have effectively given the rangers the same tools to stop poaching and protect the resource while allowing citizens with conceal permits their legal right to protect themselves. It wasn't until after the Environmental study argument was used and a judge issued an injunction that the rider was placed onto the Credit Card bill in congress forcing the NPS to abide by State laws. If that legal action had not been taken by the NCPA (which by the way is chartered to enhance and PROTECT the national parks) the rangers would still have greater authority to perform their duties, and protect the parks.

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