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Dropped Gun Goes Off In Yellowstone National Park Restroom

Aug 14th - 08:21am | edmond macgregor

If the 45 was a colt 1911 type semi-automatic and the hammer was resting on the firing pin it could go off if dropped on the hammer.  The fact that the spent casting went into the next stall means it wasn't a revolver because the casing would be in the cyclinder and a semi-automatic would eject it.  A 1911 type would be safer if half cocked and dropped.  

Aug 13th - 21:27pm | Dan Holloway

Irresponisble.  Nuff said.

Aug 13th - 12:04pm | Alfred Runte

Now you know the origins of the 19th Century expression "Don't go off half-cocked." Then, "safety" was the half-cocked position on the hammer, which could become full cocked when pushed down someone's pants. Ooh, let's not go there!

Aug 13th - 11:43am | ecbuck

Lets see Lee, which of the following has caused the least injuries/fatalities in a National Park.  Trees, rivers, lakes, geysers, bears, cliffs, lightening, exposure, automobiles, landslides, airplanes, firearms.  Thats right, firearms. Perhaps we should outlaw all the rest.

Aug 13th - 11:11am | Lee Dalton

No big deal.  Just a good American Patriot exercising Second Amendment rights. Meanwhile, in Utah, at least two toilets were killed by guns dropped in restrooms.  One was in an elementary school when a teacher dropped her bang banger.  The other was in a fast food restaurant.

Op-Ed | The True Meaning Of Soda Mountain: The White House Is Giving Away Our Public Lands

Aug 13th - 20:28pm | Anonymous

I don't disagree that solar, wind, and tidal energy come with cost, and risk.  I dont consider any energy source, "green" and think that term is overused.  

Aug 13th - 18:41pm | ecbuck

You can start by reviewing this link. And there is nothing in that article that says cancer rates are higher in the west.  At best, the article speculates that a small number of people 50+ years ago may have had a higher risk.  Nothing "quantified" about it.

Aug 13th - 18:38pm | Alfred Runte

Rick, in the newspaper world of old--and still when you write the editor--you have to give your name, address, and phone number for verification. They will not publish your letter if you don't. They will also usually call you and ask if you sent the letter, and again, will not publish you without direct confirmation.

Aug 13th - 18:18pm | Anonymous

ecbuck,  I don't need to go any further on this subject, since it remains mostly unrelated to this topic.  Plenty of studies on this subject from a variety of reports based on quantified data are out there for you to discover. You can start by reviewing this link.

Aug 13th - 18:17pm | Alfred Runte

Now, Anonymous, please reread your posts. Where is YOUR scientific data? Nor are your assumptions scientific data. You say you were left to assume that I favor coal-fired power plants. Here is what I said: "It's up to us to use common sense. We set aside our public lands for a very specific purpose, at once both biological and aesthetic. They were never meant to be industrialized.

Aug 13th - 18:07pm | Rick B.

Al, it would seem that the questions were reasonable whether they come from Anastasia Anonumous, Freddie Mickelschnortz, or anyone else.   To an outside observer, it would also seem that the only reason to deflect with a demand for a name of your questioner would be to lay a ground for an adhominem.    

Aug 13th - 17:48pm | ecbuck

There are plenty of reasons high cancer rates exist throughout portions of the west where that concentrated dust settled.  Really, that's not what the quantified data says:

Aug 13th - 17:18pm | Siglin1

I think someone mentioned distributed energy. Almost all of us are connected to the grid and solar on our houses and businesses could displace man of those mega solar projects and transmission lines industry wants. But then the electric industry would lose control.

Aug 13th - 17:08pm | Anonymous

And let's not be foolish.  The nuclear testing that was performed in Nevada has had a lasting impact on life throughout the west.  That atomic dust released into the atmosphere had to settle somewhere!  There are plenty of reasons high cancer rates exist throughout portions of the west where that concentrated dust settled.

Aug 13th - 17:02pm | Anonymous

Is it safe to assume that a professor of environmental history would be able to quantify data in order to present a worthwhile assessment on the negatives of a project?  The misuse of hyperbole to establish an argument is not enough to create informed dialogue.  I simply asked for quantified data so that I could draw an informed decision.

Aug 13th - 16:55pm | ecbuck

Alfred - the joke was, there are no neighborhoods.   

Aug 13th - 16:45pm | Alfred Runte

Northing to hurt in Nevada, eh, EC? In that case, I can't wait until some electric company puts up a 64-story, thermal solar power plant tower in your neighborhood, and surrounds it with 10,000 heliostats. At least, you know that the darn things don't work as advertised, unless again, in the instance of Tonopah, they come with a $750 million government loan guarantee.  

Aug 13th - 16:19pm | ecbuck

Anon- that project is being massively subsidized.  If it is going to be as effecient and effective as you seem to believe, that would need to be the case.  

Aug 13th - 16:18pm | ecbuck

Tonopah - yes, that is where I saw it on my way back from Yosemite last week.  After making that drive (once again) I understand why they used Nevada for nuclear bomb testing - nothing to hurt.  

Aug 13th - 16:07pm | Alfred Runte

Anonymous, sign and verify your name. That would be some "data" worth sharing with the rest of us. You don't want "data"; you want an argument. For now, here is some "data" that proves you wrong. The courts have started throwing out these projects for lack of scientific credibility. At Searchlight, Nevada, for example, the environmental impact statement was declared a sham.

Aug 13th - 15:25pm | Alfred Runte

Actually, there is, just west by north of Tonopah. Last year, I was blinded driving east from Reno to Zion for the better part of 50 miles. Even sunglasses hardly help.

Aug 13th - 15:24pm | Anonymous

This fluffy propaganda piece would serve more purpose if the author could provide some substantiated data to sway my opinion in a positive or negative manner about these projects.  Instead there is nothing.

Aug 13th - 13:55pm | ecbuck

Is there one of those monstrosities off US 6 in Nevada?

Aug 13th - 13:34pm | Alfred Runte

From the opinion pages of the LOS ANGELES TIMES, here is the latest word on Soda Mountain.

Yellowstone's Canyon Re-Do Nearly Done

Aug 13th - 14:45pm | Anonymous

I think it's yucky. Yellowstone should stay as rustic an minimalist as possible. The old cabins should have just been restored as much as possible and updated where necessary. This will keep me away from that area.  

Centennial Series | Reform, Don't Replace, The National Park Service

Aug 13th - 11:36am | wild places

It's rather amusing and sad at the same time reading the discussions here which always seem to turn political. IIs it any wonder nothing gets done in politics when people who share a love of our parks can't seem to agree on anything even without the influence of money? And for those with their head in the sand that money influences equally on both sides of the political isle.

Aug 13th - 10:18am | Peggy B

The NP belong to the PEOPLE of the USA, not Democrats and Republicans, the PEOPLE.  And, as such, must be protected and managed by the federal government.  Chamges need to be made, but the very idea of privatizing our NPs is simply awful.  The only reason they are still around is federal management.  Yes, there many be problems with the management, but when you divide t

Aug 12th - 23:12pm | Gary Wilson

If a National Park gets decomissioned to the state level, then it ceases in my opinion to be a National Park.  At that point it's a State Park, and loses all international prestige and titles that goes with being within a National Park system.

Aug 12th - 20:57pm | John Freemuth

Tahoma   Good points. A comprehenaive look at NPS organimational culture has never been done. There are pieces, there is policy work there is the Berkowitz stuff but you are right. It would take some time and it's fought with problems but it needs to be done sometime. Thanks for the comment.      John Freemuth

Aug 12th - 14:07pm | John Freemuth

Hi bill   Thanks for the comment, we should claifry our point. What we all seemed to agree with at the PERC meeting was that the Senior Pass was something that we would be glad to pay more for., it was way undepriced.    Best,     John

Aug 12th - 10:39am | Bill Borrie

Those running the NPS could be much more financially responsible. Specifically, the fee system for the National Park System is currently generous to a fault. ... At last year's PERC-sponsored seminar on national parks all attendees, of various policy and intellectual backgrounds, claimed to be more than willing to pay more for such a privilege.

Segways in the National Parks: Do We Really Need Them?

Aug 12th - 16:34pm | Mike Warren Sr.

If I could hope to go to My Grand Canyon, Like all other Americans, Ill want to be able to go to the bottom on the trail, like everyone else.  Trouble is, I have a disability that I know prevents that dream.  Ill never see the bottom or feel the power of the river by being close to it.  A segway could make  that possible.

What Should The National Park Service Do With The Enchanted Valley Chalet At Olympic National Park?

Aug 12th - 15:00pm | John Clevenger, Jr.

Vote for Option #4.....move to another location....Enchanted Valley Chalet is something that should not be destroyed.....Move it to a more suitable area..............safer area. Rehabilitate the structure, if ncessary.....It should remain a part of the Park.

A Life Of Conservation: Michael Frome And The National Parks

Aug 12th - 11:37am | Alfred Runte

Dear Ethical Retired, Thank you! I will be sure to pass your comment on to Michael. He remains my inspiration, too. And yes, he is again working to finish another book. Sincerely, Al

Aug 12th - 02:12am | Ethical Retired...

It is great to learn that Michael Frome is still active and writing.  I believe the National Parks are better places today because of his eloquent writing in the '60's and 70's.  As noted, he was a leader in stopping the proposed Disney development in Mineral King, which at the time was part of Sequoia National Forest.

Aug 11th - 23:14pm | Gary Wilson

Just a quick point, since i've spent more than enough time in both the wilderness of the Tetons and the Smokies.   The author writes "In the parks, they are asked to say good-bye to wilderness, even as the Park Service claims it is not good-bye. In Jackson Hole, it starts with the assurance that the front country is a lesser wilderness. The Tetons are what people come to see."

Reader Participation Day: How Crowded Are The National Parks?

Aug 12th - 09:12am | tahoma

The highest visitation in two decades at Mount Rainier has resulted in miles-long, hours-long entrance station backups this summer.

Aug 11th - 20:38pm | Jaime Tafoya

We were in Acadia NP this summer, end of June, and it was just as others have said it was...busy during the day and at highlighted stops and sites, but very quiet on the unbeaten path.  Getting up early helps, but the best was going to other parts of the park to enjoy without the big crowds.

Decommissioning Glen Canyon Dam Would Have Minimal Impact On Power Grid, Study Says

Aug 12th - 08:34am | Barbara K. Bobo

After reading "Running Dry, a Journey from Source to Sea Down the Colorado River" by Jonathan Waterman, I have traveled to many of the areas in the west to see for myself what he describes, and it is clear the salinity of the water taken from the river and/or stored there is

NPS: Systematic Failures Led To Desecrations At Effigy Mounds National Monument

Aug 12th - 07:43am | Laura Harreld

I understand the desire for handicap and elderly accessibility, as well as strollers and ease of use in this our national monument. Had an impact analysis been conducted, would any boardwalk or bridge been allowed? Was it necessary to use a backhoe to dig footings? My grandfather's, and father, have dug many holes with hand tools. There is much less impact on the site.

Aug 11th - 19:49pm | timothy mason

lt"s not as slmple as,...ready to move forward." All the dlsgutngilly ugly garbage that they illegally bullt boardwalks/ brdges/ decks etc. must be removed and return the damaged little park to lt's pre-crime spree condtion.

Crews At Point Reyes National Seashore Starting To Cleanup Drakes Estero

Aug 11th - 22:42pm | Gordon Bennett,...

As reported in this article: "While Kevin Lunny had been optimistic he could obtain a lease renewal from the National Park Service, then-Interior Secretary Salazar declined that request in November 2012."

Wilderness Defender: Carsten Lien And The Writing Of Olympic Battleground

Aug 11th - 22:17pm | Gary Wilson

In 1988, 95% of Olympic National Park was declared wilderness, but I see no mention of that in this article..  There is currently a bill to expand wilderness areas outside of the park.  

Aug 11th - 21:59pm | ecbuck

Gary, the Dr has spent more time in the parks than 99% of Americans.  I don't agree with all his conclusions but I don't doubt his knowledge or sincerity.  

Aug 11th - 21:13pm | Gary Wilson

The author constantly hammers away that the parks are eroded, and destroyed and that these areas are under threat by the management of the NPS.  If he doesn't get back into the mix, how does he know that the parks are in ruin?  How can he lament about the state of the wilderness if he doesn't see it with his own two eyes?  

Aug 11th - 20:54pm | ecbuck

Gary - I agree with you on the SI issue. But, your personal attacks on the Dr are just juvenile.  People enjoy parks in different ways.  There is no "right" way except that the "ways" shouldn't threaten to permantly impair the resources that are there.  

Aug 11th - 20:12pm | Gary Wilson

13 years next to a prominent national park, and the author never once stepped into it!  Simply amazing.  I must say, i've read enough.  This article feels like it is filled with a lot of tall tales to try and get to an endpoint.

Is NPS Getting Ready To Toss Bluffs Lodge On The Scrap Heap?

Aug 11th - 20:02pm | Jennifer Detweiler

Bluffs is such a  sweet & charming place! My family & I always loved to eat dinner there when we would drive the parkway.  It broke our hearts to find out that it had closed.  I love the idea of approaching the large banks & businesses in NC to maybe come to the rescue. Many yrs ago (1950's) my parents & older siblings camped in the area. .

Are National Parks An Appropriate Backdrop For Sports Illustrated's Swimsuit Issue?

Aug 11th - 19:07pm | Kurt Repanshek

OK, folks, we're closing this one down. It's exceeded its "use by" date.

Aug 11th - 18:59pm | Alfred Runte

Gary, my last backpacking trip was High Divide in Olympic National Park. I did it in honor of my good friend Carsten Lien, the author of OLYMPIC BATTLEGROUND. Perhaps you read my article here in The Traveler, also the article I wrote about Michael Frome.

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