EC, a complex issue at best and I am getting away from the topic of parks, but you might be interested in some books on the subject, starting with Naomi Kline, "The Shock Doctrine", Thom Hartman, Unequal Justice, or his latest, The Crash of 2016", a recent one, Robert Pollin, "Greening the Global Economy", well the list is quite lengthly.
Hmmm, what could we save to go to parks if all the kickbacks to the Democratic Party via crony Solindra type (investments) funded by the American Taxpayer going back to the cash for clunkers episode at the very beginning. All BS including todays action to demand the Pentagon consider Global Warming in their combat directives.
So would I. But let's not allow unbridled waste. Just think what could be done, not only in our parks, but also in the rest of our country, if we found the courage and wisdom to stand up to what Eisenhower warned about and use all that money wisely. Did you actually read Kurt's article?
But still a minor fraction of what we spend overall and a minor contributor to the deficit and debt. So your statement that large budgets, signifcant deficits and overwhelming debt is due to two wars is just a fabrication. Besides, I can quote you the language in the Constitution that said it is the role of the Federal Government to provide national defense.
Every hour, taxpayers in the United States are paying $615,482 for Cost of Military Action Against ISIS.
Every hour, taxpayers in the United States are paying $4 million for Cost of War in Afghanistan.
Lee, your disdain for technology in national parks is astounding. I've read your comments for years on NPT and while you do make solid points about the parks, this is one where you are completely wrong. The internet, smartphones, computers and those other high fangled devices are here to stay.
No worries, friends. Soon all the parks will be wired and everyone can just stay home on their comfortable couches and make virtual visits muncing popcorn and slurping beer or soda while flipping back and forth between a football game and Old Faithful. (Of course there will probably be commercial breaks between views of the elk and chipmunks, but Americans are so well conditioned to
Your link on salaries lagging isn't quite salary data showing differences among agencies. Rather, those data are % of employee survey respondents satisfied with salary, which is lower in NPS than in other DOI bureaus, let alone than in most government agencies.
It is true that the National Park Service needs a larger budget. However, as I have noted before, this is an artificial "crisis" created by anti-national park interests and their allies in Congress, who would be happy to starve the National Park System to death.
Forcing Wi-Fi and Cell Service
Nobody is forcing you to do anything
is very much counter to anything ever thought of as an appropriate use of these National Parks
Maybe anything you ever thought of, but others think differently and their thoughts are just as valid as yours.
I remember back when I was 18, in 1980, I took a trip to Yellowstone with a couple of friends. We hiked to the top of Mount Washburn and low and behold there was a phone booth in the fire look out so I called my Mom. In todays terms, there are very few phone booths left and today you may only send a text and a picture, instead of a post card.
Forcing Wi-Fi and Cell Service in the name of progress one would think is very much counter to anything ever thought of as an appropriate use of these National Parks. Ask many that have witnessed the transformation at Phantom Ranch even among the work mate of Park Ranger. Me, me, me instead of gratitude for being in such a place.
David, interesting comment. Like many others on the listserve, I have mixed emotions, but from my own experience the last 8 years working as a Fire Information Officer, I have changed my own view on the issue. I work in a major park and interact with visitors from all over the world, the best part of the job.
National Parks are about getting away from it all, renewing our resolve to make the world a better place and restoring the natural balance in our lives.
That may be how you use them but others use them in different ways. And those other ways are just a valid as yours.
Feb 10th - 16:05pm |
Peter B (NSW Au...
Suck it up Princess and go without. National Parks are about getting away from it all, renewing our resolve to make the world a better place and restoring the natural balance in our lives. We need somewhere to get away from the political rat races that seem to dominate our electoral processes.
In my opinion... I think its ok to have wifi at hotels, lodges, visitor centers, and other commercial areas of the park. I think this is what they mean when they ask for more wifi. It is not the same as cell phone service. Wifi enables people to move data without the need to do it over cell towers.
Sorry, Kurt. I was trying to get the point across that this is one of those things that has no end because every comment is based upon opinion. When anyone tries to pass their opinions off as some sort of concrete something or other, it simply ends up with a circular discussion that can go nowhere. It's the very thing that stymies finding solutions by compromise.
Progress in a National Park and the country as well is very subjective, Park Ranger. The very idea of progress in something that most would agree needs to be preserved for it's redeeming qualities is a slippery slope in my opinion.
Forcing my priorities? I'll leave that for the previous Superintendant of GCNP and his buddy Wessels at Intermountain (retired).
Im done for the day here, EC. Heading into the Canyon to surf the web at a hot spot, not.
Unfortunately, it also seems there is no stopping destruction either.
Feb 9th - 15:54pm |
Park Ranger Gra...
Having the ability to use wi-fi for educational and interpretative purposes alone would make the installation expense worth it. I agree that electronics should be left at home, but there is no stopping progress.
You can't be accepting of the idea of being on a raft trip down the Colorado through the Grand Canyon with a group and there are folks that feel the need to be online or yack away on their cell phones.
Sorry EC, you have lost me. You can't be accepting of the idea of being on a raft trip down the Colorado through the Grand Canyon with a group and there are folks that feel the need to be online or yack away on their cell phones. I know Boatman that avoid camping at places on the River where there is a signal because how it changes the experience for everyone.
It is distracting to see people attached to their devices in a place where most people go to get away from that kind of bleeping technology. This proves that congress is out of touch with the people. Folks don't want wifi in nature. Congress critters would like to stay connected so they can post selfies "in nature".
Distracts from the much needed restorative wildland experiences.
Distracts who? Who are you to define how someone else enjoys their wildland experiences. If YOU don't want to be distracted, don't use wi-fi enabled devices.
EC, the point was (and is) available WiFi in remote parts of our National Parks changes everything. Distracts from the much needed restorative wildland experiences. Talk with Rafting Guides, Backcountry Rangers or the great number of folks that enjoy the quiet and escape from technology.
Well anonymous, just stay in your virtual world.
I don't stay in any world, I enter and enjoy them all, natural, human and virtual. I can assure you, if we see the end of civilization it won't be due to Wi-Fi. Now, go live your life the way you want and let others do the same.
Feb 9th - 08:40am |
Doesn't make sense to spend taxpayer money to extend Wi-Fi and cellphone service to tourists who are already paying their carriers for service. Verizon, AT&T, Sprint, and T-Mobile should be picking up the tab.
Feb 9th - 00:07am |
Rich Granberg (...
Stop the madness. I suppose there has to be a comparative 911 to see where we're going, it would seem. Crazy!
Feb 9th - 00:03am |
Well anonymous, just stay in your virtual world. This trend could be a a sorry end to a great civilization. Just OD on Heroin and leave us neanderthals to our nature (and hardships)!
I think the difference is that this event is not natural, in the sense that is is caused by humans. Some argue that humans are a part of nature, so all of our actions must be natural by extension, and while I agree with that to a certain point, I also believe that we have a responsibility to be concientious about our actions.
Les, I've had great success with Danner as well as Zamberlan for hiking/backpacking, and currently am checking out a pair of Chaco Jaegers, which would probably suffice for very light hiking and casual knock-arounds in the parks.
I had the great pleasure of meeting John McPhee and being a part of an informal group known as The Kerchner Club that had improptu meetings at John Kauffmann's home in Anchorage back in the 1970s. McPhee displayed a passion for the wilds and was an inspiration to those who shared his feelings. In the years that followed I did trips through Yukon-Charley Rivers Nat.