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  • National Park Mystery Spot 35: What Have You Done?   1 hour 58 min ago

    Oh. Duh!

    Hey, I had just crawled out of bed and turned my computer on.

  • Court Rules That Sequoia National Park Officials Violated Wilderness Act By Allowing Horse Trips   3 hours 16 min ago

    If education means: do as we've always done because that's the way we like it, I ain't learning. :)
    It may seem that way to you -- and, in the short term, often does to me. I
    have, if I may modestly say, a very long and unique perspective on getting
    people on board with what we could call wilderness ethics. Over the years I've
    been involved with getting people to change their behavior and attitudes on a
    number of different issues:

    Not burying their garbage;
    Not camping on fragile vegetation;
    Not washing dishes, laundry or themselves in streams and lakes:
    Packing out all garbage;
    Not building fires in certain areas;
    Hanging food to keep it away from bears;
    Carrying and using bear canisters to keep food away from bears;
    restricting the maximum number of people who can start from a trailhead per
    day;
    restricting the maximum number of people who can travel together as a group;
    no dogs;
    restricting how many horses and mules can graze a meadow or how long they can
    graze it;

    etc., etc.

    All of these regulations defining how people can use their backcountry met
    with initial resistance. Most were from ignorance -- not realizing how an
    individual action, when combined with similar actions of other users, can have
    cumulative impacts on wilderness. Talking to people, one happy camper at a time,
    brings most around. Some resistance was of the "I've been doing this
    forever and you're not going to stop me" variety. When kindly
    remonstrations, brilliant logic and a winning smile didn’t work, then a
    citation -- even, alas, an arrest -- usually did.

    Long term, the attitude and behavior always changes. What seems to happen is
    that a critical mass is reached and people see the new regulation as beneficial
    to their enjoyment of wilderness as well as contributing to protecting it. There’s
    also a subtle peer group pressure for others to do the same. Short term, as you point
    out, it's a bit frustrating.

  • Sale of Plastic Water Bottles Banned At Grand Canyon National Park   5 hours 2 min ago

    It sends a good message and hopefully it will help by decreasing the amount of garbage at the parks.

  • Search Continues For Mountain Lion That Attacked Boy At Big Bend National Park   5 hours 3 min ago

    Perhaps this is yet another FAILURE of NPS Interpretation Programs which sometimes provide
    the Disneyland Perspective rather than wild Nature. This place is a small refuge for fragmented
    wildlife populations and they need to be protected from all humans including rangers with a trigger-finger.
    Each of these visitors arrived on Highways far more dangerous than the semi-wilds of Big Bend; they
    are required to have drivers-vehicle insurance. Signs need to read: ENTER AT YOUR OWN RISK !
    NPS LAW ENFORCEMENT NOW FOLLOWING 9/11 Is out of touch with the realities of wildlands since
    some of the NPS uniformed rangers have served in densely crowded urban-sub-urban centers and
    often their knowledge of wildlife biology is in need of a serious refresher assuming they are even
    interested or motivated in learning. We say, the NPS needs to become more successful protecting visitors
    from other humans, especially career felons in parks.

  • Court Rules That Sequoia National Park Officials Violated Wilderness Act By Allowing Horse Trips   7 hours 36 min ago

    George,
    If education means: do as we've always done because that's the way we like it, I ain't learning. :)

  • Search Continues For Mountain Lion That Attacked Boy At Big Bend National Park   7 hours 53 min ago

    I agree she can't blame the rangers! If she wanted to go to the zoo then she should've ! I feel pretty lucky every time I see a mountain lion! The 1 that attacked should be put down though!i hope for a speedy recovery and now he has a hell of a story to tell his friends!

  • National Park Mystery Spot 35: What Have You Done?   7 hours 57 min ago

    Not San Francisco Maritime Historical Park.

  • Court Rules That Sequoia National Park Officials Violated Wilderness Act By Allowing Horse Trips   8 hours 37 min ago

    Unicycles & Kayaks! Ha. Who woulda thought? And that's kind of my point,
    that everyone keeps coming up with ways to use wilderness that push the
    envelope of what both traditionally and by law is considered an acceptable use.
    And, you may be right:

    http://cfr.vlex.com/vid/4-30-bicycles-19767760

    The CFR only mentions bicycles here. I vaguely remember something else in there
    that might keep unicycles out but not up to the research right now. Note,
    though, that this regulation (for NPS only) is not dependent on the Wilderness
    Act. It just specifically bans bicycles except on approved roads in all
    National Parks.

    Ah, but wait, this just in:

    Bicycle means every device propelled solely by human power upon which
    a person or persons may ride on land, having one, two, or more wheels, except a
    manual wheelchair.
    http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=ecfr&sid=9d79f456e4fa8d4e7fbae93c9389ed2f&rgn=div8&view=text&node=36:1.0.1.1.1.0.1.4&idno=36

    So unicycles are out. But maybe there's hope for pedal driven kayaks!

    I've worked mostly backcountry in Sequoia Kings National Parks in California
    (and, CYA message: I don't in any way represent NPS, Sequoia Kings, or anyone,
    anyhow other than me...). Mostly, the terrain is just too rugged for bikes. The
    few people I've found have been walking them. But these areas (Yosemite and
    Sequoia Kings -- both established in the late 1800s) have always been managed
    as backcountry -- that is, their history of use predates possible competing
    uses (like bicycles, motorized vehicles, etc). That history of use has, I like
    to think, also created a respect among users for the wilderness concept. It's pretty
    rare that people don't go with the program when it's explained to them (famous
    last words...).

    Those parks, anyway, are fairly well patrolled in the backcountry. It would
    be unusual for a biker person to get through without a ranger hearing about it
    or encountering them directly. The trails get a fair amount of use so someone
    sees them and word gets around. I once found bike tracks and followed them to
    where the guy was pushing his bike uphill. We can also radio ahead to the trailhead and have them met when they exit the backountry.

    There's definitely a lot of designated wilderness that rarely sees
    either users or patrol by the agency managing it. That's the ideal,
    that a fairly wild chunk of terrain is out there for people to experience as it
    was before European contact (a very arbitrary point in time, but useful as a
    way to imagine wilderness).

    And you’re also right that attitudes towards wilderness and a bike’s place
    in it is evolving, as far as challenging the policy goes. I like to think,
    though, that it can work in the opposite direction. That bicyclists – or whatever
    user advocacy group du jour is mau-mauing the flak catchers – can be educated
    to see how unique wilderness is in both area and philosophy. To that extent, this discussion is perhaps
    contributing to that educational process.

  • TRACK Trails Offer Nationwide Weapon Against “Nature Deficit Disorder”   8 hours 43 min ago

    Great article - I love this program. The TRACK trail sign with the kids in it is Claytor Lake State Park in VA. Look for more TRACKS in Virginia State Parks soon!

  • National Park Mystery Spot 35: What Have You Done?   8 hours 45 min ago

    San Francisco Maritime?

  • National Park Mystery Spot 35: What Have You Done?   8 hours 50 min ago

    Good job, tomp2.

  • Court Rules That Sequoia National Park Officials Violated Wilderness Act By Allowing Horse Trips   9 hours 34 min ago

    Interesting point, Anonymous of 11:35 a.m. You're pointing out the practical reality, and perhaps a reason that there isn't a bigger push to change the rules. I've heard the same . . . it's exceedingly rare for anyone to be ticketed for being on a bicycle noncompliantly. Again, I have the impression that many Wilderness areas are barely visited by anyone.

    Rick B., you're right. This issue ignites passions on both sides. However, I try not to let these debates stop me from getting out on my bike on the local (obviously non-Wilderness) trails. You can also add to your list the following terms: "gun" and "second amendment."

  • Court Rules That Sequoia National Park Officials Violated Wilderness Act By Allowing Horse Trips   9 hours 56 min ago

    Boy, until I became a regular here at Traveler, I never knew that bicycles were another topic like circumcision, abortion, and long form birth certificates to avoid discussing due to the unending and unresolving arguments. Amazing.

  • Court Rules That Sequoia National Park Officials Violated Wilderness Act By Allowing Horse Trips   10 hours 7 min ago

    It seems to me that other forms of mechanical transportation (e.g. pedal powered kayaks) are tolerated in widerness because they don't require the historical users (hikers, equestrians) to share the trails. The ban of cycling is really based on personal perception. Plus after nearly 30 years of being banned, nobody bothers to question it (except for a few cyclists...). It's been accepted as the de facto situation. I can only see two ways of this changing: a sea change in what people do to enjoy the outdoors toward cycling or a lawsuit. In the meantime, in most wilderness places, we can still ride with very little risk of getting caught.

  • Court Rules That Sequoia National Park Officials Violated Wilderness Act By Allowing Horse Trips   10 hours 18 min ago

    Followup to George,

    I meant to answer your question about something that's mechanical but not banned in the NPS and Forest Service regulations. I can think of two things. (1) unicycles (don't laugh; take a look at YouTube for amazing videos of mountain unicyclists traversing rugged terrain and descending steep trails that a hiker would be challenged to walk down). (2) pedal-driven kayaks (they have been commercially available, but I don't know if people use them).

    Also, you said that you're a ranger in an area that is now Wilderness. Did mountain bikers lose access to trails there when it became a Wilderness? Or were the trails always unappealing to cyclists? Or are there no trails, as is true of some Wildernesses (e.g., the Sanhedrin in northern California)? If they did, did they do anything to try to preserve access? Do they ride them against the regulations even now? Again, just curious. I live in urban America and have no way of getting a sense of such things.

  • Court Rules That Sequoia National Park Officials Violated Wilderness Act By Allowing Horse Trips   10 hours 26 min ago

    [Deleting duplicate post.]

  • Court Rules That Sequoia National Park Officials Violated Wilderness Act By Allowing Horse Trips   10 hours 27 min ago

    George,

    You're right that we don't agree (at least not entirely), but I think you've made an excellent argument for your point of view—one that many obviously share. I appreciate your taking the time to answer.

    Very few things in the law are certain, and whether bikes are allowed in Wilderness is not among those few things. Good legal arguments can be made on both sides. However, the fact that there's this debate is significant. Ten years ago, almost everyone accepted that the Wilderness Act banned bicycles because it prohibits "mechanical transport," and the debate ended there. Because it's become uncertain since about 2005, the debate has shifted to policy, a much more fruitful area for discussion, as the second part of your reply illustrates.

    You mention that you're a ranger and that you and your colleagues have issued very few citations to cyclists in Wilderness. Is that because there is so much Wilderness and so few visitors that the chances of encountering anyone in the average Wilderness (let alone someone on a bicycle) are slim?

    I know that the Desolation Wilderness in California is heavily used, and I hear that the Maroon Bells south of Aspen, Colo., are so impacted in the summer that private cars aren't allowed at trailheads anymore—you have to take a bus. But I have the impression that a great number of Wilderness areas hardly receive any human visitation. You must know the answer to this, or at least have an idea. I'd be curious to know, since I doubt I'll see even 1% of Wilderness areas during my lifetime.

  • National Park Mystery Spot 35: What Have You Done?   10 hours 33 min ago

    Anon 1:06 pm has earned a spot in the winners cuircle.

  • Cape Hatteras National Seashore Issues Final Rule Guiding Off-Road Vehicle Management   10 hours 56 min ago

    Well said Anon 3, but you can increase the oceanfront rentals to more than 5K and upwards of 12K.
    I am not standing on the ORV realm only I know for a fact that most vehicle free areas are inaccessable to pedestrians until they build new access areas. I also know this will not happen any time soon because of the same rules that implemented the closures in the first place and also prevent a safe crossing from being built in place of a outdated bridge...
    Name the reasons people attend the beaches of Cape Hatteras and then compare those to the new rules applied this month. Mine are listed below...
    1) Peace and Quiet: Cape Hatteras was the one place I could go and relax without thousands of beach towels surrounding me. Now the ORV areas are going to be Overcrowded worse than before because they are all pushed into smaller areas.
    2) Family Fun: I could bring my kids out to a secluded beach and relax without worries of them disrupting others. Now I will either have to trudge through 100+ degree sand for up to a 1/4 mile with two kids, a cooler, and towels just to get to the beach and god forbid if there were an emergency and I had to get them out asap!!!!
    3) My Dog... Well unless I want to subject my animal to being strapped to a six foot leash the entire time he has made his last trip down.
    There are millions of reasons why I love Cape Hatteras, but with added restrictions we will probably reduce our footprint there from 8+ trips a year to maybe one.
    Please do not let people tell you this is only about ORV's... All people are being restricted from going to many of the areas of Cape Hatteras. If you do not believe me try walking out to Cape Point in the summer... Please let us know how much your ticket is.

  • National Park Mystery Spot 35: What Have You Done?   11 hours 37 min ago

    Right you are, RangerLady. Nice to know that your daily dose of that xanthine alkaloid has kicked in.

  • Court Rules That Sequoia National Park Officials Violated Wilderness Act By Allowing Horse Trips   12 hours 27 min ago

    imtnbike:

    I dunno. To me and, apparently the NPS & USFS, "mechanical
    transport" means no bicycles. Seems like they could have said
    "motorized" or, hmmm, "fossil fuel powered" and made it
    clear that human powered was OK. I can't think of any other type of transport
    that's allowed that falls into a gray area. It's either foot or on top of
    something with hoofs – clearly neither are mechanical. Is there something else
    in that broad category that's allowed and would weaken the case? (with the
    possible exception of wheelchairs under ADA).

    So when you say bicycles are excluded because the law says so, you're
    relying entirely on a strikingly wobbly body of administrative, agency-created
    law.

    However wobbly you want to present it, it is law and shows no sign of being
    overturned or changed – not really all that wobbly… . My main experience
    is as a ranger in an area now Wilderness. And I cheerfully admit I'm not
    familiar with the history of how bikes were banned, but in the western parks
    I'm familiar with, bikes have never been allowed past paved roads in the 40+
    years of my career. No citation that either myself or my colleagues have given
    for a bike in Wilderness (a very, very few) has ever been dismissed.

    I definitely agree with you that most legislators don't want to touch it.
    But I strongly disagree that bicycling or any other form of mechanical
    transport is not a serious intrusion on wilderness character. All regulations
    and court decisions derived from the Wilderness Act support a strict and
    protective interpretation. Otherwise, what's the point? Why even have a
    Wilderness Act if you're not going to try to preserve what we call wilderness.

    Can someone explain how as a matter of law (rather than just some set
    of personal preferences that might be asserted or factors that might be
    hypothesized) mountain biking is not primitive but backpacking with
    advanced water-repellent fabrics, bright colors, sophisticated packs, sleeping
    bags made in China, GPS's, white-gas camp stoves, iPods, iPads, and satellite
    phones is primitive?

    Well, I'll take a stab at it, though it's pretty clear we're not going to
    agree on this. Setting the premise of not allowing "personal
    preferences" is kind of wobbly in itself but I'll soldier on with those
    constraints! Our attitudes towards wilderness have been shaped by the history
    of the conservation movement and are rooted in both the westward expansion and
    the transcendentalism of Emerson, Thoreau & Muir.

    They gave people a new way of looking at the land, different from the
    resource-extractive and utilitarian attitudes of the 18th & 19th centuries.
    Attitudes or, if I may, personal preferences changed. People began to value
    places that appeared to be wild and untouched. By the early 20th century those
    personal preferences were codified into laws -- the Organic Act for the
    National Park Service as well as the creation of the Forest Service and reserves
    for each.

    Later in the 20th century, it became apparent that the few remaining wild
    places were being destroyed at a frightening rate -- sub divisions, roads built
    everywhere, inundated by dams. The environmental movement starting in the 60s
    -- the personal preferences of a sizeable and vocal group of hippies,
    conservationists such as Brower and Stegner and many others -- led to a second
    great awakening: the creation of the Wilderness Act. Also the Environmental
    Protection Act, Clean Water Act, Clean Air & etc. A very productive period.

    Which led, alas, to banning bikes in National Parks and Wilderness areas in
    general. The semi-bright line between hi-tech fabrics, GPS etc and bikes is the
    level of intrusion on the experience that users feel when they encounter such
    things while traveling. The phrase "mechanical transport" is not
    random nor wobbly. Other stuff intrudes on wilderness – absolutely -- but so
    far is tolerated by users. So it does, in fact, come down to personal
    preferences to a great degree. It is exactly those preferences that directly
    led to the laws as well as agency and court interpretations of those laws. In
    that sense, they're inseparable.

  • National Park Mystery Spot 35: What Have You Done?   12 hours 34 min ago

    Four more readers-- volknitter, OutInTheStiks, viemtn, and Bil -- have joined the winners circle. There's plenty of room for more, so bring it on!

  • Search Continues For Mountain Lion That Attacked Boy At Big Bend National Park   12 hours 34 min ago

    I feel sorry for the child and family inolved in the attack, but I think people -- especially tourists not familiar with this area -- should remember that Big Bend National Park is huge, it's a NATIONAL PARK and not a fenced-in petting zoo. I read one account (in a newspaper) that the mother of the bitten boy essentially blamed the BBNP rangers for "letting" the attack happen. Get real! The rangers can't watch every inch and every acre of the park 24/7, and they can't -- or shouldn't -- fence in the Chisos Basin, its lodge and campgrounds. If you're going to camp in the park (whether a remote, back-country site or Rio Grande Village, etc.) you should expect to see wild critters including javalina, bobcats, raptors, rattlesnakes, spiders, scorpions, and possibly black bears and mountain lions. The mother of the bitten child appeared to think the park is a zoo and the animals should be contained. NO! It's a wild and scenic place, and it should remain so.

  • National Park Mystery Spot 35: What Have You Done?   13 hours 5 min ago

    They pretty much have to be gimme's for me to get them!

  • Cape Hatteras National Seashore Issues Final Rule Guiding Off-Road Vehicle Management   13 hours 24 min ago

    Although some are overconfident that the economic impacts from the Final Rule on both Hatteras and Ocracoke islands will be minimal, the true verdict will not be known until a couple of summer seasons have passed. Don't dismiss the jury just yet.

    What is demonstrably obvious is the economic impact to the average ORV user in the form of the permitting fees, which are nothing but a new tax on one user group that has been unfairly singled out to shoulder this financial burden alone.

    While the upper crust "1%-ers" who can afford to rent oceanfront McMansions that sometimes exceed $2K a week rates will not have their access or their wallets greatly impacted, the weekend warrior "Yahoos" who can only afford to camp or stay non-oceanfront and access the beaches via ORV will find the federal government once again reaching into their already overtaxed pockets.

    The average blue collar, salt-of-the-earth people who would benefit the most from free and open access to HI beaches, the ones who this park was supposedly set aside for and who can likely afford it least, are being forced to pay extra for their vacations, or go elsewhere.

    Many will be going elsewhere, as numerous blog posts have demonstrated. That this seems to be an intended consequence of the new rule is truly a travesty of social justice.